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for the newbie guys who think forex all manipulation. please go away from forex. we retail traders do not control anything. we need to be like remora fish attached to sharks. at the moment SA rand is a rich lake where the migratory birds can feed (swap). when the birds going to flock away? you know it from price action. then you flee with them.

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Julian Sanders 25 minutes ago

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USD/ZAR break targets 12.68 after 12.20 options give way •USD/ZAR vaults 100-DMA 12.1771 and at 12.20 options with ease •Speed of pair's rise is indicative of a short squeeze (distressed positions) •Techs and poor state of positions suggest chance for 12.6808 •12.6808 is 38.2% retrace (min tech correction) for Nov 2017-Feb 2018 drop •Any rise for U.S. 10year yield over 3% is likely to unsettle emerging mkts •SA has a current acc deficit so rand is more vulnerable to higher rates Above from Reuters

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Martin De Beer 17 minutes ago

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Cool thanks

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku 11 minutes ago

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What does that mean... we are looking at 12.68 before end of the month??

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Martin De Beer 2 hours ago

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Still maintain that longterm (last 6 years) trend shows us closer to R14 (discounting the whole Nene spike).. Might be that we are now slowly returning to the correct value. I believe we will reach R13 in the next couple of months, R14 within the next year

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JUNHU CAO 3 hours ago

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Last week the president Mr. Ramaphosa said Rand `s strength is off the balance.

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Ryan McGold 3 hours ago

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Allow me to say Forex is full of manipulation. Euro data all green but it's going down. Forex wow.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku 3 hours ago

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I have always maintained that assertion... Forex is full of manipulation indeed... big guys manipulate this big time..

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zar is getting on the chin. any news driving this?

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku 4 hours ago

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Hope someone help with some news as to what is driving this $ wall... what is happening with the ZAR now? Is this racing to 13.00??

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku  could go to 12.5 but i dont think 13 is possible. zar/jpy going down if it goes below 8.75 then stop could get hit (lot of japanese money are long zar due to swap) . that means usd/zar will go up quickly.

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Paul Barrett 4 hours ago

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Sort of wishing I'd waited a few days :). On the other hand the peace of not having to wonder "should I just take it now or wait for it to go higher and risk it going lower" is worth it. Only another week until I'm back in that mode so the rest is welcome. Still watching but now out of curiosity rather than need.

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entire em block is down ...try...zar...mxn  can somebody put the fuse back on please

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Viv Roodt 5 hours ago

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If anyone wants to know the technicals of any pair, then just click on the Technical button next to the word Forum above and then scroll down.   The time frame can be changed depending on which time you wish to trade.  All the Support, Pivot Point and Resistance figures are there.  It has to be checked regularly as it changes as the rates change.

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Viv Roodt 5 hours ago

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Good morning all.  Moving up nicely.  The problem with holding long term buy positions is that one incurs swap fees, which are considerably higher on this pair than some other.  At least on the short positions one gets a positive swap.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku 4 hours ago

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Those swap fees are the major concern on this pair... too high... Not sure if today we are likely to 12.50 Movement have been volatile early...

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Julian Sanders 4 hours ago

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You mean carry fees Viv.

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Paul Barrett 4 hours ago

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku  Short term RSI is out of range above the line (15min, 1hour) so I expect a drop back soon. Not too far, though. Daily RSI indicates it has potential to end the day a reasonable bit up and I would not be surprised to see a close between 12.10 and 12.20. Take this with a grain of salt and make your own analysis, of course.

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Michael Hobson Apr 20, 2018 3:38PM ET

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In my opinion, always stay long USD/ZAR. That's what I've learnt trading this pair for the past 7 years. The rand may strengthen and you may be getting killed, but in the end, the rand will always weaken over time and USD/ZAR go up.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 20, 2018 3:38PM ET

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@Micheal.... you're so right. I was crying $ was falling, when changed, Booommm Zar fell like gum tree.

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Julian Sanders Apr 20, 2018 3:38PM ET

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Agree long term it weakens due to inflation deferentials. Hence ZAR forwards always trade at a discount due to interest rate parity.

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Yes stay long and pay the carry trade due to IR differential.  Fantastic idea

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 20, 2018 10:56AM ET

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Hahaa... this game is very interesting... I can conclude that tradign with clear strategy and signals is more than GAMBLING... and gambling is dangerous... by the time you make that wrong click the trader reverse against... You! I was hanging in there for couple of days... now changed the line and all is against me... If I am wiped today and I am done... at least I have learned hard lessons...

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Zedec Deo Apr 20, 2018 10:56AM ET

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brother assist me how can I get clear strategy and signal always i m sitill making loss

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 20, 2018 10:56AM ET

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Zedec Deo you an I are on same pane... always float in losses due to those small decisions... I have been checking for signals but most are for subscription... my account a micro and used for self teaching while live. One strategy I have been trying to use is trading in range.. has helped but a small wrong decision get me cry always. Tips like the one given by @Micheal above, and @Paul, @Vivi on this forum have been helping in learning somethings.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 20, 2018 10:56AM ET

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in my post above I meant to say: 'without clear strategy and signal"...

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Philip Osborne Apr 20, 2018 6:08AM ET

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Dollar Index still rising, buy the dip... well I have anyway. China winning currency war.

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Philip Osborne Apr 20, 2018 4:02AM ET

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Through 12 and breaking out.

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Paul Barrett Apr 20, 2018 4:02AM ET

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USD is making a run for it and probably pulling this along. But we've been here before. I'll believe it can hold when USD breaks 90.50 and stays there or keeps moving up. Same with USD/ZAR level 12.10.

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Philip Osborne Apr 19, 2018 9:40AM ET

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I'm bullish on the dollar here and see a reversion to the mean /middle bollinger of 13 by the end of the quarter. Could get a better entry later this month though so I'm waiting for a little while.

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Philip Osborne Apr 19, 2018 9:40AM ET

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Month chart. Might take 5 months if the shorts unwind in a controlled manner.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 19, 2018 3:17AM ET

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I wish this pair showed where it is likely to go... so that one can cut the loss at once... $ data yesterday were much better and ZAR data were not so good but the $ kept falling... no one knows why...

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Paul Barrett Apr 19, 2018 3:17AM ET

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I still think we have strong evidence that it is going to stay in the 11.90 to 12.05 range. When it will get back above 12 is uncertain. It could be a couple of days, or weeks. Ultimately I still hold that events like Britain investing in SA have been long since priced in. This type of positive news is exactly what was expected of the Ramaphosa experience. So there is little chance of a move back to the 11.50 to 11.8x range unless somehow Eskom starts operating efficiently and electricity prices drop and we halve unemployment and other (in the short term) almost impossible things happen. I am far from an expert, however. I just can't see good reason for major movement n either direction any time soon (short of big changes in the $.)

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 19, 2018 3:17AM ET

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Gold is the reason why ZAR got stronger yesterday

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 19, 2018 3:17AM ET

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Because the market was busy dumplings Dollar and bought Gold

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Paul Barrett Apr 18, 2018 9:36AM ET

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Wow. Usually I take my money and this goes up just so it can laugh at me (no, not really, but it has coincidentally done that almost every time.) ----- This drop had broken it out of the range in which it's been stuck for a while. I hope (for my sake and others earning $ or holding longs) that this isn't a trend back toward 11.5.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 18, 2018 9:36AM ET

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We are hoping so @Paul... this is very painful for rookies like us... crying loud here....

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Ryan McGold Apr 18, 2018 9:36AM ET

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Britain will invest approximately a billion rand into the South African economy for the next four years. That is supposedly strengthening the rand.

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Ahmed Bhayla Apr 18, 2018 9:36AM ET

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It's laughing at you

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Paul Barrett Apr 18, 2018 8:09AM ET

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Got a not bad rate from the bank considering what this chart is currently showing. 11.9060 (chart at 11.975.) Usually I don't get more than about 10c less than the chart amount, sometimes 15c less. So at 12.05 on the chart (which is what I was waiting for) I was expecting about 11.9 to 11.95. Happy enough. And now I can stop (sort of) caring (at least so much) for a couple of weeks until the next payment arrives. ----- Good luck to anyone still holding on.

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 18, 2018 7:09AM ET

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Britain will put £50 million into South Africa over the next four years. Great news for the country!

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Viv Roodt Apr 18, 2018 2:11AM ET

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Ramaphosa has assembled a very strong ethical team, who will be travelling around the world to scout for investors. Trevor Manuel is one of them. Can't remember the other names.

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 18, 2018 2:11AM ET

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Former finance minister Trevor Manuel and former deputy finance minister Mcebisi Jonas, Standard Bank CEO Jacko Maree and businesswoman Phumzile Langeni.

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Viv Roodt Apr 18, 2018 2:11AM ET

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Way to go Marthinus. I didn't want to leave the site to look it up, cos then I have to start all over again.

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Viv Roodt Apr 18, 2018 2:07AM ET

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What is happening recently is unusual. Could be because of Ramaphosa meeting the Queen and Theresa May yesterday.

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Paul Barrett Apr 18, 2018 2:07AM ET

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I still think this kind of thing is priced in. The only explanation for the dramatic change toward the end of last year and its persistence so long is that investors *expected* this kind of ongoing positive attitude. So I would not expect it to push this pair much down. Still think I'm cashing out today anyway as I don't see much upside for this pair any time soon.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 18, 2018 2:07AM ET

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@Paul, I am just hoping if it can go a little bit up so I can just close my openings... which are sitting in losses... :(

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Paul Barrett Apr 18, 2018 2:07AM ET

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku  For me one of the more reliable short term indicators has been RSI. From what it looks like today we're not likely to get much above 12 at best. It went to about 12.04 earlier and the RSI was beyond the upper bound indicating a fall back, just as we've now had.

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Philip Osborne Apr 17, 2018 9:51AM ET

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Testing 12 again... :(

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 17, 2018 9:51AM ET

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@Paul... I remember @Martin said in the morning that this pair has made grown up men cry... it made my day and wiped my tears... when it started climbing I thought I was Ok... but not sure now...

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Paul Barrett Apr 17, 2018 9:51AM ET

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku  If I had hair this pair would have made me pull it all out over the last few months. It's quite tame right now. Still disappointing for me to see it drop any amount. Martin's in the same boat as me. We both want to see this go back up quite a way still.

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 17, 2018 9:51AM ET

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Ramaposha got positive words from the British what help the strengthen the ZAR, will see what the rest of the world think on Thursday. In my opinion the ZAR will go to 11.66 from Thursday to next week.

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Jérémie M Nyamangyoku Apr 17, 2018 3:09AM ET

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Where did this FALL come from??? Boommm... Oh God! $ is always in trouble... I have said it.

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Donald Lamola Apr 17, 2018 3:09AM ET

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https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/markets/2018-04-17-donald-trumps-currency-tantrum-dooms-the-dollar/

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Paul Barrett Apr 17, 2018 3:09AM ET

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Donald Lamola Except for the fact that while this was having it's first sharp drop the $ was rising and is still up for the day. Whatever's happened with the ZAR it's not the $.

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Paul Barrett Apr 17, 2018 3:09AM ET

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I wish these charts had easily aligned timelines. Looks like I was wrong and USD was dropping at the same time. Still, it's up and we're down. Currencies are like the weather, only less apt to follow the "rules."

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Viv Roodt Apr 16, 2018 6:46AM ET

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Hi Marthinus, we will get some rain, but it has to fall in the catchment area, otherwise it is of very little use.  Unless it fills the aquifers underground.  Rain forecast for Wednesday daytime.  Precipitation maximum2.3mm.  Then again on Sunday day and night. I find the forecast on www.Yr.no and then choose your city or town, the most accurate weather forecast website.  It is a Norwegian site.  You also have to choose your language.

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 16, 2018 6:46AM ET

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I saw on the news that some rain in western cape, good

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Paul Barrett Apr 16, 2018 3:07AM ET

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Up and down it goes. Where it stop, nobody knows. ----- Still think we're likely to be stuck in a limited trading range until something big happens. What counts as big? Apparently not multiple countries bombing Syria. Maybe if Zuma were to suddenly plead guilty and be convicted, ha ha ha.

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Marthinus De Beer Apr 16, 2018 3:07AM ET

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Zuma is now totally out of the picture and will have no effect on ZAR.

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Viv Roodt Apr 16, 2018 3:07AM ET

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That would mean that our justice system prevails.

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Viv Roodt Apr 16, 2018 3:07AM ET

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Poetical today.  Pleased to see someone is upbeat.

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