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Type:  Commodity
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Unit:  1 Tonne
  • Prev. Close: 81.25
  • Open: 82.50
  • Day's Range: 82.00 - 85.50
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Dilawar Shaikh
Dilawar Shaikh Nov 26, 2021 9:31AM ET
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Any produnt person says about truth?
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Nov 26, 2021 5:51AM ET
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is that a good correction just happened?can anyone explain this plz?
Tomek Kowal
Tomek Kowal Nov 25, 2021 7:31AM ET
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Wow... what a huge rally
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Nov 17, 2021 8:15AM ET
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sky is the limit now
Francesco Ammirata
Francesco Ammirata Nov 13, 2021 4:28PM ET
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how does this tool work? the higher are the carbon emissions, the higher is the price and viceversa?
Francesco Ammirata
Francesco Ammirata Nov 13, 2021 4:28PM ET
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and which platform do you trade this on?
Douglas Forward
Douglas Forward Nov 13, 2021 4:28PM ET
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Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Nov 08, 2021 7:30AM ET
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100USD per ton is an assumption so far and not a reality. Clime Works who run the first plant to *****CO2 from atmosphere currently states a cost of 1200 USD per ton as cost. "They expect this to drop to 100USD within 5-10yrs". A lot of assumptions. Including we don`t see inflation I guess. Plus 5 to 10 yrs is some way away. Currently carbon capture and storage is the cheapest way to reduce CO2. Varying costs - starts somewhere around here 50-60 USD range up to in the 100`s. It`ll take time to built as well and investors will want to see a margin from it. So somehow 60-70 EUR per tonne, stabely and predictably should incentivise some building. But how the certificate price trades until then is a different question - also depending on what happens faster - the reduction of emissions - or the decrease of certificates... if certificates decrease faster it could lead to short squeezes on the price.
stefan stefanowicz
stefan stefanowicz Nov 05, 2021 7:40PM ET
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sucking co2 from atmosphere cost like 100$ per ton, so there isnt much more room to grow on this.
Francesco Mus
Francesco Mus Nov 05, 2021 7:40PM ET
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That sounds like a lot. Genuinely interested to know the source of your data. thanks
Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Nov 05, 2021 8:34AM ET
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So… we tried to break down numerous times. Did not work - back above 60 again. Question is what next? I find carbon being above 60 here rather bullish. Api2 coal has cratered, TTF gas is now worth like 1/3 of what it was - yet carbon never meaningfully went down - and is already up here again. Thought energy commodities bubble high meant this could be dragged along and crater. It doesn’t. From here then - seems more likely to go up than down..
Kevin Barmi
Kevin Barmi Nov 05, 2021 8:34AM ET
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The outright price of oil-derived products has little impact on the quantity of carbon emission, has it? If anything, the cheaper it is to burn energy, the more people burn energy, and the more carbon emission there is.What is key is the relative movements, how one chemical product moves versus the other, such as gas versus petrol. Since gas emitts less CO2 than petrol, if gas price goes down RELATIVELY to petrol then one would assume it would bring down carbon emission. Any thoughts?
Hasim Zengin
Hasim Zengin Oct 22, 2021 5:36AM ET
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This is so stupid. They are just playing with us. Up down just blowing up ours accounts...
Kevin Barmi
Kevin Barmi Oct 21, 2021 6:25AM ET
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The recent fall is only due to the gas deal between Poutine and Europe.When the price of gas decreases versus the price of petroil/diesel, then Carbon Emission rights price decreases. This is due to the fact that when price of gas decreases more people use gas, and gas produced less Carbon emission, therefore less emissions rights are necessary compared to petroil/diesel.In the long term : do not short this.In the medium term : only short this if you have an educated view deatiling the mecanics of something specific that would drive the price lowerIn the short term : anything ca happenin the short term.
Hasim Zengin
Hasim Zengin Oct 19, 2021 4:36PM ET
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Nobody was listening to me. They called me stupid bla bla bla. I am holding my shorts and will close them at $45 dollar. Very soon!!!
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Hasim Zengin Oct 19, 2021 4:36PM ET
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Farhana Deba  I am for sure
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Oct 19, 2021 4:36PM ET
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Hasim Zengin it has no reason to go down that much…already €10 down…what is ur thought on this and expectations?
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Hasim Zengin Oct 19, 2021 4:36PM ET
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The requirements of the Paris agreements will change at the end of November. This will have huge negative effect on this carbon emissions. The requirements at the moments are nog achievebale and the governments know this.
Francesco Mus
Francesco Mus Oct 19, 2021 4:36PM ET
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Surely more stringent rules on emissions would mean higher emission prices though, wouldn't it?
Stephen Wolfe
Stephen Wolfe Oct 19, 2021 4:36PM ET
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How you feeling now? It's at 66.74 today... you think it losses 33% still? C'mon man
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Oct 19, 2021 11:14AM ET
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next support is 52.54 then 50.58
nicola ba
nicola ba Oct 19, 2021 11:08AM ET
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unexpected fall... where do you think is the support level? 53? 50?
Meru Pet
Meru Pet Oct 07, 2021 6:01AM ET
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cop26 is in November. Some industries ask the regulators to put a (steady?) price on carbon emissions. What is your take on the feasibility ?
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Ugo br
UgoAmb Oct 07, 2021 6:01AM ET
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Meru Pet  good day Meru pet  The market is fixing the price here based on supply and demand but here we have a cap. The eu has fixed the fine to 110 eur meaning that if you are not offsetting ur emission u will have to pay 110 eur per ton The objective is for the polluters to pay if they pollute and everyone wants an expensive carbon since we have only and only one planet and each movement might be irreversible  An expensive carbon will then trigger the right innovations for the polluters to innovate and adapt to the new norm or for third party companies to step in with the right innovations and disrupt the market  Eventually these future innovations will drive the price back down
Ugo br
UgoAmb Oct 07, 2021 6:01AM ET
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Meru Pet  I don’t see 160 eur per ton happening at all because no one will pay 160 eur in the market if the fine is 110 eur ( companies will just pay the cap of 110 if they pollute more ) Unless the eu is changing the rules of the game and say now it is 200 eur per ton which they might actually do  Basically at 50-60 eur per ton this trade is a no brainer till 100-110 eur  Afterwards we will have to observe and adapt accordingly
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Meru Pet Oct 07, 2021 6:01AM ET
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i didn't say 160 EUR, i said 130 EUR or 160 USD (the conversion rate is the one back in the time).
Meru Pet
Meru Pet Oct 07, 2021 6:01AM ET
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also this is not supposed to be the current price.
Ugo br
UgoAmb Oct 07, 2021 6:01AM ET
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Meru Pet   Ok I see  My message is the following , I would not short this  And anyone who tries might burn his wings  Off course some  might try to scalp on short term timeframe but overall it is a LONG trade and it is a no Brainer ( demand is higher than supply and political will is to have an expensive carbon )
rohit kedia
rohit kedia Oct 07, 2021 2:43AM ET
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rohit kedia Oct 07, 2021 2:41AM ET
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hi please tell the broker who offers carbon emissions futures on their platforms
Ugo br
UgoAmb Oct 07, 2021 2:41AM ET
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Interactive Broker
Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Oct 07, 2021 2:41AM ET
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Interactive brokers do - but the margin is ridiculous. Saxo Bank, Credit Suisse work better (about 1/5 of margin)
Ugo br
UgoAmb Oct 06, 2021 6:36AM ET
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hello everyone I strongly recommend you to watch the following video on youtube: how and when does carbon get to 110 ? Heading towards 110 eur per ton , just matter of time, good entry point today after a healthy pullback :)
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Oct 06, 2021 6:36AM ET
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link plz
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UgoAmb Oct 06, 2021 6:36AM ET
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Farhana Deba  I wish I could share but against the policy , just google “how and when does carbon get to 110?” I saw below that a few fellows already suggested this video…so nothing new but nice to see
Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Sep 29, 2021 5:45AM ET
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IF you are still short this might not be such a bad time to cover..
Hassan Nasir
Hassan Nasir Sep 29, 2021 5:45AM ET
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What do you reckon? Are we going to see 65 next week?
Cj cruz
Cj cruz Sep 24, 2021 11:25AM ET
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Politically manipulated. Climate change ninjas manipulating this one.
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Hassan Nasir
Hassan Nasir Sep 24, 2021 11:25AM ET
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Farhana Deba  Sorry about your loss. Couple of weeks back NG Took me down with a loss of 10K dollars in 2 mins only.  But I came back with a hope and wish you to recover soon.
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Sep 24, 2021 11:25AM ET
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Hassan Nasir all of u here made me feel good trust me…natural gas is more dangerous asset than this one…but anyhow trading is trading …sometimes u get lucky n sometimes u dont…but really appreciated all of ur concerns
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Sep 24, 2021 11:25AM ET
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Cj cruz hopefully i will near future if only God wills…thank u for ur concern……
Mike Reitsma
Mike Reitsma Sep 24, 2021 11:25AM ET
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Farhana Deba   Why didn't you listen?
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Sep 24, 2021 11:25AM ET
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Mike Reitsma i was confused ….stupid of me
Tim Partridge
Tim Partridge Sep 24, 2021 4:35AM ET
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What is the code for UK Allowances? And do you know if it published on Investing?
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Sep 23, 2021 10:39AM ET
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waiting n waiting n waiting….to fall or to rise….come on go for a direction….🙄
Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Sep 22, 2021 9:06AM ET
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I think this thing is extremely tricky here. Politics generally point upwards - ans for me the daily looks like having an intact trendline with support in the 57 to 58ish zone where we broke out from. BUT at the same time: we ran upwards together with coal and gas. Both are VERY high here for the coming winter. Now if this winter gets cold the sky is a bit the limit especially in gas. But let’s say it doesn’t and even gets rather warm? In this case we have a lot of height to fall from. And if that is the case I doubt emissions will hold up here, could even sell off hard given that every man and his dog are long certificates now. To me this coming winter is a super muddy period for euro power, gas and coal - and I think whatever happens there will have an impact on emissions..
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Sep 22, 2021 9:06AM ET
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to be honest waiting is the only thing i can do with this asset now…i hv buy m sell both now…but one thing is sure for me 58 big support now…
Arg Bouras
Arg Bouras Sep 22, 2021 3:58AM ET
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After a loooong time I came to share my views although not trading this asset anymore. On the 1H TF we have a clear down trend. Right now price is at the S/R level from Aug30th. We have no signal that this thing is going up appart from the divergence marked on with the green arrow at the RSI. In addition we have indications of seller strength, most recent occurances of which are marked with the blue arrows. Personally I would wait for it to come to the demand zone 58.52-58.72 marked with the two thin black lines to consider buying, provided we get a signal for that. However since the battle is still on the S/R anything is possible, right now more possible to break it down. https://invst.ly/w3gen
Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Sep 16, 2021 9:42AM ET
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So what to do? I`d be a careful buyer between here (59) and down to 57ish. If we break 56 substantially and for longer than a day I`d be out. If I was short since 62 I`d cover here - at least 2/3 of the position. Think it is still a 60/40 to go up from here - but by far not as good a trade as it was being long from 31. If it holds between here and 57 I still think 70`s are a clear possibility. But again - in total here it is much more muddy waters than it has been in a long time.
Farhana Deba
Farhana Deba Sep 16, 2021 9:42AM ET
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i got sell in 54…if u had a sell like me what would u do now?keep it or sell it off?last support i see is 58…but confused what sud i do now
Olaf Kleen
Olaf Kleen Sep 16, 2021 9:42AM ET
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As said - I personally would not keep a short here. It’s a bullish product. BUT: here and now it is so even chances wise. Could go down further (e.g. if the winter weather starts warm and Natural Gas drops) - or - we run up into the 70’s. I honestly cannot advise you on this.
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Olaf Kleen Sep 16, 2021 9:42AM ET
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P.S. From a purely technical point of view (charts) it looks to me as long as we have not broken 57 to the downside chances are better for it to go up than down. Just as a question: how did you end up trading emissions?
Farhana Deba
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Olaf Kleen im followed my fellow trade partner n end up here…trust me i hate this asset but honestly i think this can give us good profit…i better avarage this by longing from here…n thnk u so much for ur suggestion…at least somebody answered here :)
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Olaf Kleen Sep 16, 2021 9:37AM ET
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Tricky one here. Firstly it had to reach a level where it attracts new technology investment. This seems to start somewhere around 55 - with upsides up to 1000 EUR. But clearly we have a level now where some investment gets attracted. Secondly the whole Euro Energy Complex has gone nuts with the rising gas prices. What goes up can come down. Unless the weather is cold in winter in which case we need more certificates because coal gets burned a lot. Politically the EU fit for 55 is a strong bullish plan. BUT it needs to go through national parliaments. Technically we broke out somewhere in the high 58`s and there is an intact trend line around 57ish which will probably support it. Price intervention by the EU only comes into play if we are above 70 - for more than 6 months - and that then only means they`ll have to have a meeting - not necessarily intervention.
 
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