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Vonovia SE (VNAn)

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VNAn Comments

Extremely undervalued
I think just the opposite
This company has 46 billion dollars in debt with a free cash flow of 1.3 billion. Add the high interest rates on top of it and wonder how long it will take until it ceases to exist...? :D
It is not about debts let alone, asset to debts is important, they have twice as much assets than debts. The reason for the debts is from financial investments in new projects/buildings etc. In worst case, they will just sell some of their assets to pay off loan rates, which they already did in particular. This is just temporary. I would buy in before we get the interest rate inversion. Once rates drop they will have significantly less problems, however, if rates will stay high as this for 5 years it would certainly not be good for Vonovia. Growth in this sector was always based on taking up debts. (see china or the benko empire, which just collapsed).
And by the way, those debts are not short term debts to be paid off but long term debts. So its not like they have to pay off 46bn in 2024 or any time soon lol, its just them rates, but which doubled or trippled meanwhile. I build up quite a few positions in November 2023 :)
After 5 days it is still fighting against 200MA
Time to take some profit. Today I sold 60% of my positions. 200MA is a strong resistance... If the rally continues I'm still happy with that. :)
best of turn around ;) situation ;) !
I don't know, Bulls have been beating a dead horse while getting badgered my Bears with this one for while now.
Oh, DAX ... 39 excellent stocks - and Vonovia.
Strong buy
Uncharted teritory … from here this can even more accelarate 🗡️🔻
I guess you are looking at the wrong (CFD) chart. All time low was 15.23 (corrected with all splits).  And it bounced back from 15.27 ... just like it should. So no, it didn't reach the "uncharted territory".
It will soon …
empty words. I say won't. 1-1
Worst stock ever! Sort this sh… strongly to the ZERO!
Why do you say "without reason"?Doesn't most people fear that the company could go bankrupt?With that much debt isn't this a possible scenario?
 These are my thoughts on why I believe Vonovia is not in trouble. But Pls, correct me if I'm wrong. 1. The revenue is 8.55B vs the total expenses (including all liabilities) is 6,95B. Since they convert EBIT to free cash flow it is no problem to pay them liabilities. 2. I believe residential real estate is less risky nowdays than office real estate. Companies can easily reduce their rented areas by mass dismissal or bring in more home office days. But people must live somewhere.  They must pay the rent every day. So basically we can say that the cash flow is stable here and I don't see the reason why it would decrease significantly. Temporary maybe the rent can decrease a little, but.... 3. The inflation is on the side of Vonovia. In the long term, inflation is burning the debt / increasing the revenue and also the worth of the assets.
Thanks for the explanation. Sounds reasonable! Anyway this movement downwards is not for faint-hearted ...
what ist the future?
just keep makimg money, this one will last.
someone ist shorting to eliminate calls
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