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Earnings call: Dragonfly Energy reports growth and market expansion in Q1

EditorAhmed Abdulazez Abdulkadir
Published 05/18/2024, 06:53 PM
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In their First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call, Dragonfly Energy's CEO, Dr. Denis Phares, reported on the company's developments and financial performance. Dr. Phares emphasized Dragonfly's return to growth, particularly in the recreational vehicle (RV) market with their lithium batteries. The company has also marked its entry into the heavy-duty trucking market, with orders already received for their all-electric auxiliary power units and Liftgate power systems.

Financially, Dragonfly Energy posted net sales of $12.5 million with a net loss of $10.4 million for Q1. Looking ahead to Q2, they expect revenues to rise, with anticipated net losses between $8 million and $10 million. The company finished the quarter with $8.5 million in cash and projects a revenue increase to $14.0 million to $15.0 million in the next quarter.

Key Takeaways

  • Dragonfly Energy experienced a return to growth with a focus on the RV market and entry into the heavy-duty trucking market.
  • The company has received orders for its electric auxiliary power units and Liftgate power systems from various fleets.
  • Dragonfly Energy is expanding into the industrial solar and stationary storage markets, with an initial deployment in the oil and gas industry.
  • Q1 2024 net sales were $12.5 million, with a net loss of $10.4 million.
  • The company expects Q2 revenue to grow to between $14.0 million and $15.0 million, with a net loss of $8 million to $10 million.

Company Outlook

  • Revenue is projected to grow in Q2, driven by the RV market and partnerships with Forest River, Airstream, and nuCamp.
  • Dragonfly Energy is focused on scaling cell production and establishing an IRA compliance supply chain.
  • The company plans to manage liquidity with their equity line of credit and available cash.

Bearish Highlights

  • Dragonfly Energy reported a net loss of $10.4 million in Q1 2024.
  • The company anticipates a net loss in Q2 2024 in the range of $8 million to $10 million.

Bullish Highlights

  • The company is entering new markets, including industrial solar and stationary storage.
  • Dragonfly Energy expects a step function increase in orders in Q3 due to the new model year.
  • Keystone orders have increased in Q1.


  • Despite growth in certain areas, the company still faces a net loss and is working on reducing it in the upcoming quarters.

Q&A Highlights

  • The environmental benefits of PFAS binders in battery manufacturing were discussed, noting reduced power requirements and streamlined processes.
  • The adoption rate of the trucking solution will vary by fleet, but new fleet turnovers are expected to generate orders.
  • The company expressed enthusiasm about sharing more details in future quarters.

Dragonfly Energy (ticker not provided) is navigating a period of expansion and investment in new technology and markets, balancing growth opportunities with the challenges of managing losses. The company remains optimistic about its prospects, particularly with the anticipated growth in the RV market and the expansion into the oil and gas sector.

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Full transcript - Chardan Nextech Acquisition 2 (DFLI) Q1 2024:

Operator: Good afternoon. My name is Jenny, and I will be your operator today for Dragonfly Energy's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. The call can be accessed, along with the earnings press release, earnings presentation and SEC filings on the Investors section of the Dragonfly Energy website found at As a reminder, this conference call is being webcast and recorded. All attendees are in a listen-only mode at this time. During this call, the company will be making forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ due to factors noted in the press release and in periodic SEC filings. Management will reference some non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measure can be found in today's release on the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Dr. Denis Phares, Chief Executive Officer of Dragonfly Energy.

Denis Phares: Thank you, and thank you to everyone joining us today. Ladies and gentlemen, the theme for today is, return to growth. There is no doubt that this company faced many challenges in addition to market headwinds that consumed our core markets throughout last year. But our strengths make us uniquely capable as a technology company with both revenue and large upside potential to weather historically bad economic conditions. We have demonstrated our ability to revolutionize an industry with broad adoption of our lithium batteries in RVs. And we are poised to repeat the same success in other adjacent downstream markets, including the heavy-duty trucking market. To update on that effort, during the first quarter of 2024, we have begun to take orders for our all-electric auxiliary power unit. In addition, we have launched our new Liftgate power system. Both of these leverage our expertise in mobile alternator charging demonstrated by our Wakespeed technology. Our Liftgate system has now been implemented in the trucking operations of bottling companies through Rush Enterprises, and we are looking to expand this application to the OEM level. Regarding the All-Electric APU, we are pleased to announce that since the beginning of the year, we have begun taking purchase orders from fleets, including dry van fleet operator, CRST; a tanker fleet operator, Oakley; as well as Ploger, S&S, Wooster, Twin City among others. The fleets are diverse in size and in application, demonstrating the versatility of the system. The previously announced pilot systems deployed within the larger fleets proved out the concept for these customers, consistently demonstrating reduced idling and enhanced ROI. Double-digit percentage improvements in miles per gallon have been commonly observed in the pilots, and we expect those improvements to only increase as we enter the warmer summer months. As some of these pilots are in their final stages, we expect to announce the transitioning of these fleets to our products throughout the summer. Moreover, the number of large fleets implementing pilot systems continues to grow. Regarding our core RV market, the latest RV Industry Association report forecasts a medium annual growth rate of 13.8%. RV shipments for the industry were up 9% for Q1 compared to the previous quarter. In Q1, our OEM revenue was $7.3 million. Although this represents a $1.5 million drop from the previous year's quarter, it is important to note that our batteries were standard on every Keystone trailer a year ago. Excluding Keystone, our OEM revenue grew year-over-year by 70%, thanks to new partnerships such as the previously announced deal with Forest River, as well as expansion of standardization across legacy customers, Airstream and nuCamp. This rapid growth is more demonstrative of our increased market penetration than growth of the RV market. We expect continued growth in this business line throughout the year, especially with the onset of the new model year in Q3 and the release of our IntelLigence line of batteries. In addition to these significant near-term growth drivers, I am pleased today to announce that we are poised to enter an entirely new adjacent downstream market, resulting from our efforts and relationships within the industrial solar and stationary storage markets. Over the last year, we have been quietly working on getting our products certified for deployment throughout the oil and gas industry. And in Q1, we have achieved the necessary certifications. At the same time, we have identified a large new customer in this space and worked with our previously announced integration partners at Connexa to deliver a unique power system that is fully certified to operate in the vicinity of oil and gas pipelines. The first of these power systems is expected to be deployed over this summer as an integral part of equipment that helps respond to the growing need to mitigate methane leakage into the atmosphere. This market is new and significant given the new EPA mandate through the methane emissions reduction program to both fund methane mitigation equipment and fine each instance of methane leakage. Success for these power systems, defined by successful technical performance in the field during the initial deployment could potentially yield thousands of deployments over the next 18 months. The customer we are working with on this project is a legacy equipment, a market-leading natural gas compressor packager and their dedicated affiliate agonist systems. We are very excited about this partnership and the new application of our technology, and we will share more details as this project progresses. Concurrent with our expanding potential market set, the development of our cell manufacturing technologies has continued as we push towards domestic cell production. The quality and scalability of our dry electrode process has garnered significant interest from large customers in sectors such as automotive, consumer electronics and data centers. With the dry electrode process at pilot scale, we are now focusing our efforts on optimizing all other unit operations associated with cell manufacturing, especially optimizing aging formation and end-of-line testing. These tend to be very chemistry and application specific. Although we had historically focused on storage, which requires longevity and cyclability, propulsion and consumer electronics applications require higher electrode mass loadings and higher charge and discharge rates. We have demonstrated the ability of our dry electrode process to meet these metrics, and we are now becoming uniquely versatile in developing application-specific aging and formation protocols in-house. We have also demonstrated the ability of our dry electrode process to meet these metrics using PFAS-free electrodes, thereby eliminating the Forever Chemicals that are ubiquitous in conventional lithium-ion batteries. This is a critical step in addressing the coming regulations to control the widespread use of these chemicals, especially within the European Union. We have provided some data demonstrating the results of our aging information protocols as well as PFAS-free electrode data in our quarterly earnings presentation posted to our website. We are also, at this time, qualifying IRA compliance suppliers, active material, binders, carbon conductors, current collectors, electrolyte, separators, et cetera, to support the scaling process of our products across new markets. I will now provide a review of our first quarter 2024 financial results as well as a more detailed outlook for the second quarter of 2024. Please note that the following figures presented are GAAP, unless otherwise noted. Dragonfly generated net sales of $12.5 million in the first quarter of 2024, down from $18.8 million in the first quarter of 2023. As a reminder, the first quarter of 2023 included standard install revenue from Keystone, which was not the case in the first quarter of 2024. Net sales of $12.5 million in the quarter was in line with our $12 million to $13 million guidance range. Our direct-to-consumer, or DTC, segment generated net sales of $5.2 million in the first quarter of 2024, down from $10.0 million in the first quarter of 2023. This segment has seen flat sales over the last several quarters despite continued pressure on consumer discretionary spending, and we would expect a similar trajectory for this portion of the business at least through the second quarter of 2024. OEM sales in the first quarter of 2024 were $7.3 million, down from $8.8 million during the first quarter of 2023. As previously mentioned, we expect that OEM revenue will continue to increase as a percentage of overall sales throughout 2024. Dragonfly's gross profit in the first quarter of 2024 was approximately $3.1 million compared to $4.7 million in the first quarter of 2023. Operating expenses in the first quarter of 2024 were $8.9 million, down from $14.6 million in the first quarter of 2023. The decrease was primarily driven by reduced headcount, lower shipping costs, lower legal costs and lower overall stock-based compensation costs. Total other expense in the first quarter of 2024 was $4.5 million compared to total other income of $14.7 million in the first quarter of 2023. Other expense of $4.5 million in quarter ended March 31, 2024 is comprised primarily of interest expense of $4.8 million related to our debt securities, offset by a change in fair market value of warrant liability in the amount of $0.2 million. Net loss in the first quarter of 2024 was $10.4 million or negative $0.17 per diluted share compared to net income of $4.8 million or $0.10 per diluted share in the first quarter of 2023. EBITDA in the first quarter of 2024 was negative $5.3 million compared to positive $8.9 million in the first quarter of 2023. In the first quarter of 2024, adjusted EBITDA, excluding stock-based compensation, offset by changes in the fair market value of our warrants was negative $5.2 million compared to negative $5.1 million for the first quarter of 2023. For a reconciliation of our EBITDA to adjusted EBITDA, please refer to our earnings press release. Before I turn to our guidance for the second quarter of 2024, I wanted to take a moment to discuss our cash position and expectations. Dragonfly ended the first quarter with approximately $8.5 million in cash, down from $12.7 million at the end of 2023. Our uses of cash in the first quarter of 2024 included payment for critical cell manufacturing equipment, along with acceleration of payments to vendors who we see as crucial partners as we expand into new markets. Our $150 million equity line of credit remains effectively unutilized, and we will continue to be prudent and opportunistic about its use going forward. As such, we believe that the levers we have to manage our cash spend provide us the necessary liquidity and resources to continue our R&D efforts, execute on our plans to enter new markets and expand our market footprint. Now I would like to turn our attention to our expectations for the second quarter of 2024. As mentioned earlier, we believe that the RV market continues to show signs of recovery, and our entry into the heavy-duty trucking market is now gaining traction and will be a more meaningful revenue contributor in the second half of 2024. We expect second quarter 2024 revenue to be in a range of $14.0 million to $15.0 million, representing approximately 16% sequential growth at the midpoint of the range. We expect gross margin in the second quarter to remain in the range of 24% to 26%. Operating expenses in the second quarter of 2024 are expected to be in the range of $8.5 million to $9.5 million, and we expect other income and expense to be an expense in the range of $3.0 million to $4.0 million. We expect to report a net loss in the second quarter of 2024 in the range of $8 million to $10 million or a negative $0.13 per share to negative $0.16 per share based on approximately 61 million shares outstanding. For Dragonfly Energy, an expected two consecutive quarters of growth and an expansion of our RV market share, especially through partnerships with customers like Forest River, Airstream and nuCamp, provides evidence that we are comfortably past the bottom and that the most difficult days are now behind us. Significant new opportunities through our Battle Born Batteries brand and adjacent downstream markets such as oil and gas are expected to supplement the growth of our core battery pack business. Meanwhile, our continued efforts in scaling chemistry-agnostic cell production and establishing an IRA compliance supply chain, ensure that we are prepared to act rapidly when the opportunity presents itself. We are pursuing all of these opportunities with a keen eye towards managing our liquidity from our effectively undrawn equity line of credit as well as cash on hand. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator, who can open the line for questions.

Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question is from George Gianarikas from Canaccord. Please ask your question.

George Gianarikas: Hi. Yes, thank you for taking our questions. I'd like to ask your opinion on today's news around the Section 301 tariffs and how that may impact both your core business and your growing cell production business. Thank you.

Denis Phares: Hey, thanks for your question, George. Yeah, happy to answer that. So, from what I could read, this is news, it looks like the tariffs on sales and batteries, in general, are going to be increased from 7.5% to 25%. For EV batteries, that happens this year. So that is not going to affect us. For non-EV batteries, that happens in 2026. So that doesn't affect the immediate business at all. But in terms of the longer term, that is fantastically positive for us because, ultimately, what we are trying to do is onshore the production of the cells and the increase in tariffs combined with the IRA certainly makes it very attractive to continue our domestic cell manufacturing developments and certainly it should make it more attractive to prospective customers as well.

George Gianarikas: And would you say that most of your competitors in the marketplace are using cells from China currently?

Denis Phares: In terms of LFP, yes, that is absolutely a fact.

George Gianarikas: Maybe just a follow-up to focus on your cash position at the end of the quarter. Remember, last quarter, you talked about inventory on hand helping as a source of cash in Q1. I'm not sure if that impacted your Q1 cash balance or if you still see that as a potential lever for a cash source in the second quarter? And maybe if you can help us understand where you expect you're ending second quarter cash to finish up? Thank you.

Denis Phares: Yeah, George, we certainly do expect to continue using the inventory as a source of working capital. And we have and there were increased uses of cash in the first quarter. As I mentioned, we did follow up on some cell manufacturing opportunities that we needed to execute on, and that has to do with our current relationships that we have in terms of prospective cell customers. But moving forward, we do expect to be able to access the ChEF. We did not access a ChEF at all in Q1. And so, it is something that, as I mentioned, we certainly have at our disposal to use opportunistically. And so, I think that the cash burn is expected to be less moving forward compared to Q1.

George Gianarikas: Great. Thank you. I'll step back in queue.

Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Chip Moore from ROTH. Please ask your question.

Chip Moore: Good evening. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask maybe about -- nice to be talking about growth, I guess, first of all. And Denis, your comments just around the RV market, it sounded a bit more, I'd say, optimistic than back in March with the Q4 call. Can you just expand on what you're seeing there? I think you'll have better visibility when we got new models in a couple of months here. But any way to think about sort of cadence of the rest of the year with some of the share gains you've had and obviously, you're looking for a step-up in Q2? Thanks.

Denis Phares: Sure. Well, despite the fact that we did appear flat, and we have been flat with our direct-to-consumer business, RV business, which is not a bad thing. We're not dropping anymore, and we hope to see a recovery there soon. Our OEM RV business was pleasantly surprising, I would say. So that is why we're a little bit more bullish here. We've observed more uptake in terms of the lithium option. We've been taking some more orders from Keystone as even though it is an option, it is an option that's being selected. We're increasing standardization. And those coaches that have lithium on them, the trailers that have lithium on them are actually becoming the more popular coaches. So, it does appear that the industry continues to move in the direction of lithium. That is lithium uptake is happening faster than the recovery in terms of RV shipments. That's a good thing. And that's why we do appear -- we are pretty bullish on the recovery of at least the lithium portion of the RV market. And then, of course, there's the new model year. And we focus -- every year, we're focused on the new model year and getting in more and more models, and it certainly helps to have the new IntelLigence product line to be able to solidify our place there.

Chip Moore: Great. That's very helpful. Appreciate it, Denis. And if I could ask another, this new adjacent opportunity in the oil and gas market, very interesting. Can you talk a bit more about -- I think I heard you say potential for -- I think it was maybe 1,000 deployments over 18 months or something like that. Is there a way to think about revenue opportunity per se, and how long these systems might need to be piloted, and just competitively, what you're displacing or going up against?

Denis Phares: It's a relatively new product in terms of methane scrubbing. So, it is a collaboration with a legacy. So, we are providing the entire power system, which comprises -- is comprised of about 70 kilowatt hours of batteries plus associated inversion, the Wakespeed technology for charging. It's a pretty large system. And I did say potentially thousands of deployments, and that certainly is coming from the customer and their customers, and what they expect the new [MERP] (ph) requirements will require moving forward. So, we are pretty excited about the opportunity. We are deploying the first system this summer. And we expect that towards the end of the summer, we'll have a little bit more visibility as to what those first POs might look like.

Chip Moore: Great. We'll speak to it. And if I could sneak one last one in, maybe just on the APU side. I think, you called out a number of fleets in the remarks and I think you're seeing traction with larger fleets. Just any update on how we should think about timing, particularly for those larger fleet orders, maybe more for next year, but just remind us? Thank you.

Denis Phares: Yeah. I would say that we'll be able to start showing movement in this regard, particularly for the larger fleets over the summertime here. So, as the summer progresses and we start getting -- the final data sets associated with some of the warmer summer months, we're going to be able to announce some of these fleets turning over. The larger fleets, I should say.

Chip Moore: Yeah. Understood. Thank you.

Denis Phares: Thank you, Chip.

Operator: Thank you. Your next question is from Brian Dobson from Chardan Capital Markets. Please ask your question.

Brian Dobson: Yeah, thanks very much for taking my question, and thanks for the additional color on the positive benefit of these tariffs on your business. I guess I wanted to chat a little bit about the elimination of PFAS chemicals in your production. You had mentioned that this gives you a competitive advantage both in the United States and in Europe. Do you think you can delve into that a little bit further and speak a little bit about how you plan to take advantage of that?

Denis Phares: Well, this revolves around potential regulations coming down the pike, first of all. But just in general, the benefit of not having Forever Chemicals is something that is becoming more and more important as we see the effects of these chemicals in wastewater, in stream water. So, I mean, this is -- it's an environmental issue. I'm not saying that the batteries necessarily are better batteries, but they are more environmentally friendly, more environmentally safe. But interestingly, what we've shown and what you can see in some of the data that we've put up is that the batteries are just as good. We can actually make the electrodes stick just as well. And the performance of the batteries are on par with the performance of the typical PFAS binders that we see. And as it turns out, because of the process, it actually has an environmental benefit in the manufacturing as well because you can -- we can apply these chemicals without the need for as much power, and it helps streamline the process even a little bit more as we apply the dry electrode process. So, it really is an environmental issue, but it allows us to produce batteries that are just as good as the batteries that are out there.

Brian Dobson: Great. Thank you very much.

Denis Phares: Thank you.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And your next question is from Jeff Grampp from Alliance Global Partners (NYSE:GLP). Please ask your question.

Jeff Grampp: Good afternoon, Denis. I was curious on the trucking front. Do you have any sense with these fleets that you're talking to that sound a little bit closer to purchase decisions? What those order patterns may look like? Or do you get the sense these companies are looking to perhaps convert their fleet as part of just normal replacement cycle or maybe just a subset as kind of some of the early adopters? Or just any kind of insight as far as what the adoption curve may look like when fleets ultimately decide to go forward with your option?

Denis Phares: Sure. Well, ultimately, the rate of adoption is up to each individual fleet. But what we expect is that the APU will be applied in terms of the turnover of their fleets annually. So typically, they're in the range of 20%, 25% of the fleet is turned over annually. And so, our expectation would be that at least eventually will be in that cycle and in those new orders. But it really is up to the fleets to decide how quickly they want to move in that direction. And our optimism has to do with the fact that this is a quick ROI. I mean, this is a relatively easy decision once you're comfortable with the technology.

Jeff Grampp: Great. I appreciate that color. And then, in the existing RV market, I appreciate highlighting that ex Keystone number, which is really impressive. Can you kind of contextualize how you guys are thinking about the rest of the year, especially taking into account the fact that as you guys kind of lapse the legacy Keystone revenue? Obviously, that could imply some pretty healthy growth numbers at kind of the corporate level.

Denis Phares: Sure. Thanks, Jeff. Well, we do expect to see a step function in Q3 because of the new model year, but we do expect a pretty monotonic increase throughout the year anyway, because as I mentioned, there is an increased desire for the lithium option in those particular coaches where lithium is an option. So, I did -- you mentioned Keystone, and we are an option on the Keystone trailers, and we certainly saw a pretty significant increase in Keystone orders in Q1 compared to Q4, although those were not included in our 70% growth numbers.

Jeff Grampp: Understood. Appreciate the details, Denis. Thank you.

Denis Phares: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Dr. Denis Phares for the closing remarks.

Denis Phares: Thank you for everyone joining us today. We look forward to sharing additional details with all of you in the coming quarters. Have a great day.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the call. We thank you for participating, and ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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