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Trump's court pick Barrett calls presidential self-pardon an 'open question'

Published 10/14/2020, 06:05 AM
Updated 10/14/2020, 07:06 PM
© Reuters. U.S. Senate holds confirmation hearing for Barrett to be Supreme Court justice in Washington

By Lawrence Hurley, Patricia Zengerle and Andrew Chung

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee, Amy Coney Barrett, said on Wednesday it was an "open question" whether Trump could pardon himself and added that the top U.S. judicial body "can't control" whether a president obeys its decisions.

She also sought to allay Democratic fears that she would be an automatic vote to strike down the Obamacare healthcare law in a case due to be argued Nov. 10, promising an "open mind."

Barrett wrapped up about eight hours of questioning on the third day of her four-day Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing. The committee will hear on Thursday from witnesses both for and against her confirmation, but Barrett herself will not be present.

Trump has said he has the "absolute power" to pardon himself, part of his executive clemency authority. Asked by Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy whether a president could pardon himself for a crime, Barrett said the "question has never been litigated."

"That question may or may not arise but it's one that calls for legal analysis of what the scope of the pardon power is. So because it would be opining on an open question when I haven't gone through the judicial process to decide it, it's not one on which I can offer a view," Barrett added.

Trump also has issued executive clemency to political allies and friends.

Barrett, a conservative federal appellate judge, is Trump's third selection for a lifetime Supreme Court post. Trump has asked the Senate, controlled by his fellow Republicans, to confirm Barrett before the Nov. 3 U.S. election.

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While saying that "no one is above the law," Barrett twice declined to answer directly when Leahy asked whether a president who refuses to comply with a court order is a threat to the U.S. constitutional system of checks and balances within the three branches of government.

"The Supreme Court can't control whether or not the president obeys," Barrett said.

Supreme Court rulings, Barrett said, have the "force of law," but the court lacks enforcement power and relies on the other branches of government.

"A court can pronounce the law and issue a judgment but it lacks control over how the political branches respond to it," Barrett added.

Barrett declined to discuss whether Trump was violating the U.S. Constitution's "emoluments" clause with his business dealings. The provision bar presidents from taking gifts or payments from foreign and state governments without congressional approval.

"I don't know if I would characterize it as an anti-corruption clause," Barrett said, disagreeing with Leahy, adding that it was designed to "prevent foreign countries from having influence."

OBAMACARE CASE

Barrett could be on the high court for arguments in a challenge by Trump and Republican-led states to the 2010 law formally called the Affordable Care Act that has helped millions of Americans obtain medical coverage and includes protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

Responding to Democratic suggestions that she would vote to strike down Obamacare in its entirety if one part is deemed unlawful, Barrett said if a statute can be saved, it is a judge's duty to do so. Barrett added that she would approach any ACA case "with an open mind."

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Barrett has criticized previous Supreme Court rulings upholding Obamacare.

Senator Kamala Harris, who is Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden's running mate, said that the proceedings "lack legitimacy in the eyes of the people of our country" because they want the winner of the election to decide who fills the court's vacancy.

"Americans right now are suffering from a deadly pandemic and we are also suffering from a historic economic crisis," Harris said. "The Senate should be working day and night to provide economic relief to families and not rushing a Supreme Court confirmation."

Barrett, 48, would be the fifth woman ever to serve on the court. As a devout Roman Catholic, Barrett personally opposes abortion.

"This is history being made folks," said Republican Senator Lindsey Graham (NYSE:GHM), chairman of the panel. "This is the first time in American history that we've nominated a woman who is unashamedly pro-life and embraces her faith without apology, and she's going to the court."

Barrett would not say if the landmark 1965 Griswold v. Connecticut ruling that protects the right of married couples to use contraceptives without government restrictions was properly decided, but said it was "very unlikely" to be imperiled.

Some conservatives including Barrett's mentor, the late Justice Antonin Scalia, have criticized the ruling, which recognized a constitutional right to privacy and paved the way for the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling that legalized abortion nationwide as well as decisions recognizing LGBT rights.

Democratic Senator Cory Booker raised concerns to Barrett about racial issues, noting that Black Americans are disproportionately affected in criminal sentencing and restrictions on voting access.

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"In my private life, I abhor racial discrimination and obviously for both personal reasons and professional reasons I want to ensure that there's equal justice for all," added Barrett, who has two Black adopted children from Haiti among her seven children.

Barrett's confirmation would give the court a 6-3 conservative majority. Republicans have a 53-47 Senate majority, making Barrett's confirmation a virtual certainty.

Republicans are preparing for a committee vote next week and a final Senate confirmation vote before the end of October. Trump nominated Barrett on Sept. 26 to replace the late liberal Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Latest comments

Short Lindsey Graham (NYSE:GHM)
Hunter Biden, Joe Biden??? Burisma? Any stories - No. Huge surprise.
Really??? Of all the brilliant things this unbelievably amazing woman said, THIS is what you choose to write about?
Do dastardly Dems 👹
Pelosi should stay hidden for awhile. Never really considered term limits... but after behavior of Democrat leadership.. 2 terms for Senators and 5 terms for Congress. Maybe that will cut down on the incestuousness that seems prevalent today.
I prefer Trump as my President!
This reprehensible behavior by the Senate Democrats shows that their only interest is to create an arm of the legislative branch will to ignore the Constitution and support legislation not legitimately gotten. Government by fraud.
describing trumps executive decisions there? couldn't have explained it better!
wow..American politics ...sunny how qhen u folks travel I have often heard you speak of corruption in 3rd world countries..,...funny actually I dont think a person could think of a more stained country
I am an atheist.. but certainly like her to be confirmed. She is clearly qualified. Put her on the court, 53 republican senators.
Mazie Hirono is a hack She can write a book how to make a donkey of yourself
DJT's presidency has all along been Trump vs. Trump (he is trying to 'find himself' at the expense of the world's patience and American taxpayers' costs). He's a freeloader par excellence. LOL. After years of paying near no tax Americans' future tax dilkars have to support this freeloader's retirement and security detail, thanks to the maga croud, the biggest joke for many years to come. His Vancouver BC Trump hotel is bankrupt already
grammar corr .. dilkars 》 dollars .. croud 》 crowd
thnaks man, we couldbt work it out until you helped us
What do u expect? She believes Jesus is god. go Figures. this country is turning to sick RELIGIOUS CULT. we are going down.
I found  Jesus!   Fell inside  the  couch;  I  glued  his  head back  on - you watch'n, God?
You obviously are not a CatholicJesus is part of what we call the Holy Trinity
i hope she turns around all the bad Democrats policies on immigration, ******and healthcare. As well as ensuring Democrats don't steal the election
the **** were meant to say a.boR ti on
Why would he ever need to pardon his self? You cannot indict a sitting president
Impeachment can end with removal from office for crimes, which Trump has said many time he could pardon himself of those crimes thereby negating the impeachment.
Likes For Biden dislikes for Trump
On the contrary, a President can control a Supreme Court
She'll be confirmed. Then, soon enough, she'll be in the minority on the Court. Doesn't know much about the law.
Democrat hacks struggle to deal with the fine legal mind of ACB.
Nope. She was shut down repeatedly and exposed as a legal lightweight. Sorry, you lose.
God bless her, hope shell be the one
all I wanna knaw is if she will support political parties that manipulate branches of government to perform illegal searches and wiretaps of opposing political parties 🙄.
she does not : )
God Helps trump win Election with Amy's support if matters go to court
Wrong. not with ACB. With OUR vote and support. The supreme court is just there to tell us what we already know and that is lawful.
yes, there is no conflict of interest whatsoever, the president push through a supreme court nominee a week before the election just in case the election result needs to be decided by the supreme court
all I wanna knaw if she believes in supporting peaceful protests with uncontrollable violent outcomes.
lol amazing how "pro-life" is bad
Sort of like how “anti-fascist” is bad, huh?
"Pro-life" is a misnomer for religious nuts trying to impose their own antiquated beliefs on a woman's rights.
super religious radical in usa supreme court...god bless usa:))))
I think she is done...she won't pass.
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