In the latest earnings call, Hawaiian Electric Industries (NYSE:HE) (HEI) disclosed its financial and operational results for the fourth quarter of 2023. CEO Scott Seu highlighted the company's commitment to wildfire recovery efforts in Maui, including a $75 million fund backed by contributions from various organizations. Despite the challenges posed by the wildfires, HEI reported a net income of $199.2 million for the year. The company also received regulatory approval for a $190 million grid resilience plan and is moving forward with renewable energy projects. The financial resilience of the American Savings Bank was noted, alongside the increase in visitor spending and strong real estate values in Hawaii.
Key Takeaways
- HEI committed up to $75 million for Maui wildfire recovery, with additional organizational support.
- Regulatory approval was granted for a $190 million grid resilience initiative.
- The company is advancing with renewable energy projects.
- Net income for 2023 stood at $199.2 million, with core net income at $224 million after adjusting for wildfire expenses and securities loss.
- Visitor spending in Hawaii rose by 5.5% to $20.8 billion, outpacing pre-pandemic levels by nearly 20%.
- Real estate market in Hawaii remains robust, with median single-family home prices on Oahu exceeding $1 million.
- The utility's cash on hand decreased, but efforts to secure additional financing are underway.
- Legislative discussions continue regarding wildfire claims and mitigation, with no update on the investigations into the cause of the Maui wildfires.
Company Outlook
- No guidance was provided on utility funded CapEx for 2024 and beyond.
- Prioritization of spending on wildfire mitigation and resilience measures.
- Progress made on a facility to provide additional capital.
Bearish Highlights
- The utility's cash on hand decreased significantly from $275 million to $106 million.
- Total damages from the wildfires are still uncertain.
- Home sales volumes have declined year-over-year.
Bullish Highlights
- The American Savings Bank showed resilience, offering support to customers affected by the wildfires.
- Despite a decrease in Japanese visitor arrivals, the overall visitor spending and real estate values in Hawaii have increased.
Misses
- There was no update on the ATF-led and State Attorney General's investigations into the cause of the Maui wildfires.
- No specific details on utility funded CapEx for future years.
Q&A Highlights
- Discussions on property damage, business losses, and other wildfire-related claims are ongoing.
- The legislative session is expected to reach significant milestones in the coming months.
- The company is negotiating a labor contract with 3% annual increases, including a separate component for linemen.
In conclusion, Hawaiian Electric Industries has navigated the aftermath of the Maui wildfires with a focus on community support and infrastructure resilience. The company's financial performance has remained solid despite the natural disaster, and it continues to invest in renewable energy and grid modernization. The real estate and tourism sectors in Hawaii have shown promising growth, contributing to the state's economic stability. However, the ongoing legislative discussions and pending investigations into the wildfires present uncertainties that the company will need to address moving forward.
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Full transcript - Hawaiian Electric Industries Inc (HE) Q4 2023:
Operator: Good day and welcome to the Hawaiian Electric Industries Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that this call is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Mateo Garcia, Director of Investor Relations. You may beging your conference.
Mateo Garcia: Thank you. Welcome everyone to HEI’s fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. Joining me today are Scott Seu, HEI's President and CEO; Scott Deghetto, HEI’s Executive Vice President, CFO and Treasurer; Shelee Kimura, Hawaiian Electric President and CEO; Ann Teranishi, American Savings Bank President and CEO; and other members of senior management. Our earnings release and our presentation for this call are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. As a reminder, forward-looking statements will be made on today’s call. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations can be found in our presentation, our SEC filings and in the Investor Relations section of our website. Today’s presentation also includes references to non-GAAP financial measures. You should refer to the information contained in the slides accompanying today’s presentation for definitional information and reconciliations of historical non-GAAP measures to the closest GAAP financial measure. Now, Scott Seu will begin with his remarks.
Scott Seu: Aloha kakou. Welcome everyone. For today's call, I’ll start with key updates regarding the Maui wildfires followed by financial and operational updates and then Scott Deghetto will walk you through our 2023 financial results in more detail before we open it up for questions. It's been just over six months since the tragedy of the August 8 wildfires. Our community continues to grieve and we know that it will be a long road ahead. However, I'm encouraged and inspired by the way so many in our community have come together to work towards the near and long-term solutions necessary to help our state heal and emerge stronger.
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Ohana: Hawaiian Electric will contribute up to $75 million and the State of Hawaii, Maui County, Kamehameha Schools, Spectrum and Hawaiian Telcom have committed to contribute the remainder. The speed at which this first fund has come together is encouraging and as the Governor has said, it will help with healing and help everyone move forward.
Ohana: We're focused on bills that would establish a fund for property owners to recover damages from future catastrophic wildfires, wildfire risk mitigation planning requirements overseen by the Public Utilities Commission, along with cost recovery for implementing approved plans and securitization as a financing option. The Office of the Governor has expressed the importance of legislation that can help stabilize the electric utility and Hawaii's energy future. His administration has proposed a bill that requires the utility to develop a wildfire mitigation plan overseen by the Public Utilities Commission, and also include securitization as a tool to finance wildfire safety and recovery. Dozens of bills have been introduced to address other aspects of wildfire risk more broadly. The legislature is considering bills that would establish a state fire marshal, a state wildfire fuel reduction task force, a wildfire safety advisory board and a state firefighting helicopter program, to name a few examples. It's still early in the legislative process, and bills can undergo significant changes over the legislative session, which will run through early May. However, I'm pleased to see commitment among so many in Hawaii to urgently address the risks wildfires and other extreme weather events pose to our state. We also continue to work through the litigation process. As of February 12, Hawaiian Electric Company has been named as a defendant in 101 lawsuits by plaintiffs claiming losses related to the August 8 windstorm and wild fires, and HEI has been named in 101 as well. Most of these lawsuits have been removed from the state court to federal court, but jurisdiction is still in the process of being settled. Certain milestone dates that were set earlier by the state court, such as when we'll need to file counterclaims, are no longer in effect and will be revisited once jurisdiction is settled. Subrogation claims from about 150 different insurers with exposure on Maui have also been filed and will respond to those complaints once they are served on us. Turning to the next slide our utility received several constructive regulatory decisions in recent months that support our efforts to strengthen the resiliency of our system while we continue to advance Hawaii's clean energy goals. Earlier this month, Hawaiian Electric received PUC approval for their five-year, $190 million grid resilience plan. The plan includes a slate of foundational resilience investments as the first phase of a long-term climate adaptation effort that will help harden the utility's grids against severe weather-related events fueled by climate change. This approval enables the utility to move forward with $95 million in Department of Energy Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act funding by matching it with $95 million in rate recovery. The utility also received several important regulatory decisions prior to 2023 year end, including approvals to defer costs associated with the Maui wildfires and to recover $8.8 million in previously deferred costs from the COVID-19 pandemic. Our approximately $82 million ~$82 million Waena Battery Energy Storage Project on Maui was also approved. This is a critical project for ensuring adequacy of supply on the island. The utility has continued to progress its Stage 3 RFP, its largest renewables procurement ever. Contract negotiations are in process with the developers of 16 renewable energy projects across our islands. The projects will further reduce Hawai's dependence on imported oil for power generation. The negotiations are expected to produce long-term contracts for approximately 517 MW of variable generation, 694 MW of firm renewable generation, and 2.1 GWh of storage. As we've discussed previously, the utility's own 253 MW Waiau Repowering Project on Oahu was selected in the RFP. The project will be built at the site of Hawaiian Electric's existing 85-year-old facility and could potentially use renewable gas or hydrogen when it becomes commercially available. The utility is working closely with the Department of Energy on federal loan funding options to help fund the project. We are also pursuing additional federal funding sources, including nearly $450 million of grants for grid resilience, modernization and innovation for investments to increase resilience to natural hazards, including wildfires. In December, the utility connected the world's most advanced battery energy storage system to Oahu's grid. The Kapolei energy storage battery plant provides 185 MW of total power capacity and 565 MW hours of energy, and this is the first time a standalone battery has provided grid-forming services at this scale. We're pleased with the utility's continued progress towards a clean energy powered grid and encouraged by the constructive regulatory and federal government engagement on Hawaii's clean energy future. I'm also pleased to announce that we recently reached agreement with our union, IBEW 1260, on a new three-year contract, effective through October 2027. The contract provides stability and visibility as we continue performing critical work to modernize our generation system and make our electric grids more resilient. Turning now to our financial results, our core operations have continued to perform in-line with expectations while we work alongside others in the Maui reconstruction efforts. On a consolidated basis 2023 net income was $199.2 million and earnings per share was $1.81. This included about $14 million of Maui wildfire related expenses, net of insurance recoveries and deferrals, and a loss in the sale of securities of $11 million resulting from a strategic balance sheet repositioning at the bank. Excluding these items, core net income was $224 million and EPS was $2.04, down about 5% compared to last year's core net income, which excludes the gain on sale of an equity method investment recorded in 2022 at Pacific Current. Utility, net income and EPS were $194 million and $1.76 or $195.1 million and $1.77 on a core basis, up about 3% compared to 2022. Bank net income and EPS were $53.4 million and $0.48. Excluding wildfire related expenses and the securities loss, core net income was $72.6 million and EPS was $0.66, down from $80 million and $0.73 last year. At the holding company level, the net loss of $48.1 million in 2023 was up from $27.8 million in the prior year and included $4.7 million of wildfire related expenses. Excluding these expenses, core net loss was $43.4 million and core EPS loss was $0.39. Turning to the Bank, ASB's business proved resilient through the economic impacts of the Maui wildfires and the challenging interest rate environment experienced in 2023. ASB's loyal and long tenured deposit base remained stable during the year and as of December 31, 86% of deposits were FDIC insured or fully collateralized. Customer deposits are safe and there is no risk to customer deposits as a result of legal claims related to the wildfires. Asset quality remains strong and the Hawaii market continues to be characterized by strong credit quality and low delinquency rates in comparison to the mainland. The Bank's capital remains strong with ample liquidity and lending capacity. The sale of investment securities executed in the fourth quarter positions ASB for improved profitability and net interest margin while strengthening the balance sheet. In the fourth quarter, the Bank sold low yielding securities and reduced high cost deposits with the proceeds. Scott Deghetto will discuss the transaction in greater detail. ASB has continued to support the Maui community at a time when they most need us, and the Bank has provided numerous options for our Maui customers facing financial hardship as a result of the fires, including waived ATM fees, forbearance and deferment for commercial and consumer loans and emergency personal lines of credit. In addition, the Bank has provided $135,000 of charitable contributions to support the Maui community and has partnered with the Hawaii Restaurant Association, the Hawaii Bankers Association and others to provide donations and other resources for Maui residents during this difficult time. We are optimistic regarding Hawaii's economic outlook and the economy has proved resilient following the wildfires in August. Hawaii's statewide seasonally adjusted unemployment rate was 2.9% in December and continues to outperform the U.S. average of 3.7%.
UHERO: Maui's unemployment rate was around 5% as of yearend and in the month of December, visitor arrivals to Maui were 75% of the previous years. Total statewide arrivals for the year were 90% of pre-pandemic levels. Despite the economic impacts from the Maui wildfires, statewide visitor spending for the full year was up over 2022. Visitor spending increased 5.5% to $20.8 billion in 2023. This is well above pre-pandemic levels by almost 20% despite Japanese visitor arrivals being at about half of pre-pandemic levels. Real estate values in Hawaii remain consistently strong. In December, the Oahu median single family home price was over $1 million and the median condo sales price was just under $510,000. Home sales volumes were down year-over-year, but we're encouraged to see the recent decline in mortgage rates. Hawaii's market continues to be characterized by limited inventory and stable prices supported by limited land available for property development. I'll now hand it off to Scott Deghetto to walk through our financial results in more detail.
UHERO: Maui's unemployment rate was around 5% as of yearend and in the month of December, visitor arrivals to Maui were 75% of the previous years. Total statewide arrivals for the year were 90% of pre-pandemic levels. Despite the economic impacts from the Maui wildfires, statewide visitor spending for the full year was up over 2022. Visitor spending increased 5.5% to $20.8 billion in 2023. This is well above pre-pandemic levels by almost 20% despite Japanese visitor arrivals being at about half of pre-pandemic levels. Real estate values in Hawaii remain consistently strong. In December, the Oahu median single family home price was over $1 million and the median condo sales price was just under $510,000. Home sales volumes were down year-over-year, but we're encouraged to see the recent decline in mortgage rates. Hawaii's market continues to be characterized by limited inventory and stable prices supported by limited land available for property development. I'll now hand it off to Scott Deghetto to walk through our financial results in more detail.
UHERO: Maui's unemployment rate was around 5% as of yearend and in the month of December, visitor arrivals to Maui were 75% of the previous years. Total statewide arrivals for the year were 90% of pre-pandemic levels. Despite the economic impacts from the Maui wildfires, statewide visitor spending for the full year was up over 2022. Visitor spending increased 5.5% to $20.8 billion in 2023. This is well above pre-pandemic levels by almost 20% despite Japanese visitor arrivals being at about half of pre-pandemic levels. Real estate values in Hawaii remain consistently strong. In December, the Oahu median single family home price was over $1 million and the median condo sales price was just under $510,000. Home sales volumes were down year-over-year, but we're encouraged to see the recent decline in mortgage rates. Hawaii's market continues to be characterized by limited inventory and stable prices supported by limited land available for property development. I'll now hand it off to Scott Deghetto to walk through our financial results in more detail.
Scott Deghetto: Thank you, Scott. I'll start with our results for the year on Slide 8. We earned consolidated net income of $199.2 million and EPS of $1.81 for the full year. That included $14.1 million or about $0.13 per share of wildfire related expenses, net of insurance recoveries and deferrals, and $11 million or $0.10 per share from a loss on a sale of securities at the Bank resulting from the Bank's balance sheet repositioning. Excluding those nonrecurring expenses, core net income and EPS were $224.3 million and $2.04, compared to $235 million and $2.14 in 2022. Utility net income included $1.1 million of windstorm and wildfire related impacts. Bank net income included $8.3 million and the holding company and other segment included $4.7 million of these costs. In December, the PUC granted the utility's request for deferral treatment of windstorm and wildfire related incremental non-labor expenses and as a result, the utility deferred $10.9 million of after tax O&M expenses in 2023. In total, the utility's incremental after tax, Maui windstorm and wildfire related expenses of $1.1 million were comprised of $29.6 million of expenses, net of $17.5 million of insurance related recoveries and the $10.9 million in deferred costs. As mentioned, the bank executed a balance sheet repositioning in the fourth quarter that resulted in an $11 million after tax loss on the sale of investment securities. This resulted from a strategic sale of $185 million of low yielding assets with proceeds used to reduce ASB's highest cost source of funding, which was certificates of deposit. The transaction is expected to improve this year's net interest income and net interest margin. In addition, lower asset levels will allow ASB's leverage ratio to improve faster. On a consolidated basis core ROE remains healthy at 9.9% excluding wildfire impacts and the loss on sale of securities. This is down from 10.2% core ROE last year due primarily to lower bank earnings and a higher holding company loss. Utility core ROE was flat at 8.2% excluding wildfire impacts, and Bank core ROE was up 80 basis points to 14.9% excluding wildfire impacts. The higher Bank ROE reflects the impacts of higher interest rates to Bank AOCI, which reduces shareholders equity. The approximately $0.04 increase in the utility's EPS contribution was the result of a $0.28 increase in revenues, primarily from the annual revenue adjustment and major project interim recovery mechanisms, a $0.05 increase in AFUDC, and a $0.04 increase from the fuel cost risk sharing mechanism. These increases were partially offset by a $0.24 increase in O&M expense, a $0.06 increase in depreciation, $0.03 of higher interest expense, and about $0.01 per share of incremental wildfire costs, net of insurance recoveries and deferred costs. The approximately $0.25 decrease in ASB's EPS contribution was driven by the $0.10 loss from the Bank's balance sheet repositioning, $0.09 of higher noninterest expenses, $0.08 of wildfire related expenses, including $0.04 of additional provision recorded in Q3 and $0.02 of higher provision partially offset by a $0.03 increase in noninterest income. Holding company and other segment expenses were higher by about $0.19 per share, consisting of $0.04 in wildfire expenses $0.05 from lower Pacific Current asset performance, $0.04 of interest expense and a $0.06 negative variance due to the 2022 gain on sale of an equity investment at Pacific Current. Turning to our liquidity on Slide 10, we continue to believe that we have sufficient liquidity runway as we work through the timing and potential impacts of litigation related to the Maui wildfires. As of the end of the fourth quarter, the holding company and the utility had $137 million and $106 million of cash on hand respectively. In addition, we continued to pursue additional financing through an accounts receivable facility at the utility, which we expect will provide $200 million to $250 million of additional liquidity. Last week, Hawaiian Electric's Board of Directors declared a $13 million quarterly cash dividend to HEI. With the suspension of HEI's dividend to our common shareholders cash needs at the HEI parent company are limited relative to cash needs prior to the dividend suspension. Right sizing the utility's dividend to HEI allows more cash to be kept at the utility, supporting its ability to perform needed restoration work in West Maui and make critical capital investments for wildfire mitigation and in other electrical infrastructure, while capital markets access remains constrained. In closing, I want to acknowledge what a challenging year 2023 was for our community, our employees and our shareholders. We will continue taking the right steps in working collaboratively with our community, regulators and lawmakers to remain a financially healthy enterprise best positioned to support the needs of our customers in the state. And at that, let's open up the call to questions.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Michael Lonegan with Evercore. Please go ahead.
Michael Lonegan: Yes. Hi, thanks for taking my question. So utility cash on hand decreased from $275 million at the end of the third quarter to $106 million as of yearend. I was just wondering if you could share some of the key uses of cash during the quarter and any details you can share on your current level of CapEx and also ongoing level of investment given grid resilience, storage and other projects that are ongoing.
Scott Deghetto: Yes. Hey, Mike, it's Scott Deghetto. Yes. So I think when you look at the $275 million and you compare it to the $106 million, what you need to keep in mind is that the $275 million had a pre-funding of the $100 million maturity. So the way I look at it is we really ended the quarter at $175 million and so $175 million versus the $106 million. And again, as you know, there's varying capital requirements and cash requirements as you move through a business and throughout the year and so I would just keep that in mind as you look at the end of the year number. The other thing I can tell you is, as we said on the call, we're working through the accounts receivable facility. We've retained a large global bank to work with us on that facility and we're basically finalizing that as we speak and we'll be filing with the PUC in the not too distant future to get formal approval for that facility.
Michael Lonegan: Great. Thank you. And then secondly from me, on the Maui recovery fund, do you have a sense or expectation of the participation in it? And could there be upside to the $175 million between now and launch on March 1?
Scott Seu: Yes. Hi, Mike, this is Scott Seu. At this stage, we don't have any projections for the potential uptake, I mean, the sizing of the fund and the consideration of payments of $1.5 million per claim. We're hopeful. I think the Governor's office is trying to get the word out about why this provides an attractive option for claimants to litigation. At this stage, we won't be able to tell you until the fund is actually launched on March 1.
Michael Lonegan: Great. Thanks, Scott.
Scott Seu: Sure, Mike.
Operator: Your next question comes from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Jonathan Reeder: Hey, good morning, team. Thanks for taking my question.
Scott Deghetto: Hey, Jonathan.
Jonathan Reeder: So I was just kind of curious, as currently being considered in the legislature like, can you discuss how the Governor sponsored bill, the HB2407 like does or does not potentially mitigate any of HECO's potential liabilities related to the August 2023 Maui wildfires?
Scott Deghetto: Yes, well, so the Governor sponsored bills, Jonathan, they focus on wildfire mitigation plans and allowing the utility to use securitization to pay for improvements as a result of those plans. I would say that those bills, as currently drafted, are forward looking. I think the Governor, in one of the testimonies on one of the other bills, made the point that as we consider these bills that are more forward looking with respect to wildfire mitigation strategies, securitization, even a wildfire relief fund, it still noted that we all still have to work through the issues of resolving the claims from last August. We talked a lot about fund number one already. Suffice to say that there's active discussions happening right now with respect to claims dealing with property damage, business and losses and the like. So the long and short of it is, the bills are predominantly forward looking, albeit there is still capacity to think about funds, securitization and the like, which could possibly apply towards past claims, but most of the bill's focus is on a forward looking basis.
Jonathan Reeder: Okay, so I mean in terms of any specific legislative proposals that would be more related to the wildfires themselves, at this point, there's nothing it's more related to, I guess, the One Ohana Recovery fund stuff?
Scott Deghetto: Well, I would say this. I would think about it this way, Jonathan. The One Ohana, specifically on fund two, there are any number of options available when you consider what the sources of funding might be, which could include, for example, anything ranging from securitization if it's deemed appropriate, it could include thinking from the HEI perspective, shareholder contributions, it could include use of insurance funds. The Governor has also mentioned potential philanthropy. So I'd say that for fund two, it is still a -- we're working through a number of different options, and there could very well be some overlap or interplay with some of the bills that are being considered. It's still very early in the process for the legislative bills.
Jonathan Reeder: Okay. When does the legislative session end? I mean when you're saying it's early in the process?
Scott Deghetto: Yes, it will end in May, but I would say that the next significant milestones in the legislature are first crossover on March 7, and then later on second crossover is April 11. Crossover is very important because at that point, that's when you will see what one House or the House or the Senate, where they ultimately land on the initially proposed bills.
Jonathan Reeder: Okay. That helps. Any further insight into when like the results of the ATF-led investigation into the cause of the fire, even the Hawaii AG's investigation will be finalized and shared?
Scott Seu: Yes, we don't have any further updates, Jonathan, from what we talked about last quarter. At that point, there was still no hard and fast schedule for the ATF Maui Fire Department investigation and the State Attorney General's investigation. I think as we've talked about last time, they had been initially planning to share some initial results back in December, but there were some delays as they needed to get more information from Maui County. So we still don't know of any further updates to their timing either.
Jonathan Reeder: Okay. And then I guess based on the lawsuits filed and maybe just the time that's passed since the wildfires, do you have any sense of what the total damages may be, excluding obviously, any potential punitive damages? Like, for instance, I think the state has disclosed that residential property losses claimed through at least the end of November amount to just over $1.5 billion.
Scott Seu: Yes, we don't have any additional information beyond that, Jonathan.
Jonathan Reeder: Okay, great. Now, I know you're still working through all that, so good luck as you go through the process and interested to see how it all plays out. I appreciate you taking the questions.
Scott Seu: Thank you, Jonathan.
Operator: Your next question comes from Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please go ahead.
Paul Patterson: Hey, good morning.
Scott Seu: Hi, Paul.
Paul Patterson: Hi. So, Jonathan asked a lot of my questions, but just sort of following up on a few of them. Do we have a, I know it's still kind of early, but you were talking about the wildfire mitigation and going forward kind of efforts and what have you. Do we have any sense, or do you guys have any sense about what the size of that might be or when we might get a better picture as to when we might get a better idea about what that would be?
Scott Deghetto: Paul, I think you're asking about the proposed wildfire relief fund, is that correct?
Paul Patterson: It's actually just what, if there's any idea about what the level of mitigation expenditures might have to be, do we have any sense as to when we'll get a better picture, as opposed to the funding for it, just what the actual amount might be? Do you follow what I'm saying?
Scott Deghetto: Yes, I think so. That still needs to be determined Paul. One component of that is actually sizing what the overall wildfire risk would be to the state. And I know that there has been discussion and part of some of the proposals are to do from an actuarial perspective, doing a risk assessment which will help size the overall risk and what the fund and potential investments could be. At the utility, of course, it will continue to do its own work, looking at its wildfire mitigation plans, and that analysis is still in process and will play out.
Paul Patterson: Okay. And then in terms of the Bank and this sale, this balance sheet repositioning, could you just give a little bit more of a description as to the high cost loans and what have you that you were paying down? Like what was the cause of the, like when did they occur? Just if you could give me a little bit more flavor on that, that would be helpful.
Ann Teranishi: Yes. Hi, Paul. This is Ann Teranishi. The funds, the proceeds from the sale were used to pay our highest cost funding, which were public CDs.
Paul Patterson: And when did those CDs, what's the tenure on them? In other words, are they recently issued CDs or just that high cost, or just a little surprised?
Ann Teranishi: Yes. So the public funds were yielding 5.6%, and they were 60 to 90-day certificates of deposits.
Paul Patterson: Okay. And then just really, finally, the labor contract, can you give us a sense of the cost increases that are going to be the annual CAGR of what you guys negotiate with your union?
Shelee Kimura: Hi, Paul, this is Shelee Kimura.
Paul Patterson: Hi, Shelee?
Shelee Kimura: Hi. Nice to hear from you. So we're talking about an extension basically of the current contract, so those would be 3% increases every year. We had a separate component for our linemen, given the market rates for linemen in our sector, and the cost increase for that should not be different. It should actually be a little bit less than what we experienced in 2023, because we had a pilot program ongoing, and so the total impact of that should be about in the same range, if not a little bit less.
Paul Patterson: Okay, great. Thanks so much.
Shelee Kimura: You're welcome.
Operator: Your next question is a follow-up from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Jonathan Reeder: Hey, perhaps I did miss it in the slide, but can you let us know how much utility funded CapEx is planned for 2024 and perhaps even over, like the 2024 to 2026 period? Obviously, there's the resiliency spending, which portion of that is going to come from the DoE funds, but it looks like you have some utility owned repowering, battery projects, stuff like that. Can you give us a sense or is that going to be laid out in the K?
Paul Ito: Hey Jonathan, this is Paul. So we are not providing guidance on CapEx, but what I would say is as we look at our liquidity, we're managing to what we can afford in terms of our financial resources. I would say generally we would probably be on the lower end of what we have seen historically. As we mentioned, we are reprioritizing our spend to focus on critical things like wildfire mitigation, resilience. There will be some moderation in other areas as long as it doesn't impact public safety, but again, it's a matter of managing within our financial resources. And as Scott mentioned, we do have our facility that we're working on. We've made good progress on that. So that should provide additional capital as we operate our business going forward.
Jonathan Reeder: Okay, thanks Paul. I appreciate that.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Scott Seu for any closing remarks.
Scott Seu: Thank you for joining us today and to our shareholders, thank you for your continued support and investment through these challenging times. I think all of us here at the companies, our hearts continue to be with the people of Maui, including our many customers and of course our own employees. So we're going to support and work alongside them every step of the way. As I said earlier, I'm encouraged by the support and collaboration that has really characterized the reconstruction efforts. And we look forward to continuing our work with the community, governor, lawmakers and others. We will chart our path forward together, so thank you very much.
Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect.
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