Artisan Partners (NYSE:APAM) Asset Management (NYSE: APAM) has reported a robust first quarter for 2024, with a 7% increase in assets under management (AUM) to $160 billion. The firm saw $10.8 billion in investment returns and a net client cash outflow of just over $500 million. Revenues grew by 6%, and the company is expanding its credit and alternative strategy offerings. Despite the outflows, the annualized organic outflow rate improved, and the company is optimistic about its growth opportunities in fixed income, alternative strategies, and emerging markets.
Key Takeaways
- AUM grew to $160 billion, a 7% increase from the previous quarter.
- Investment returns contributed $10.8 billion to AUM.
- Net client cash outflows were just over $500 million, with equity outflows partially offset by fixed income and alternative inflows.
- Revenues increased by 6%, despite a decrease in performance fees.
- Adjusted operating expenses rose by 8%, due to seasonal expenses and a retirement clause.
- The company is focusing on growth in fixed income, alternative strategies, and emerging markets.
Company Outlook
- Artisan Partners is expanding its credit team offerings, including credit opportunities and floating rate strategies.
- The firm sees strong growth opportunities in emerging market debt and alternative investments.
- Expenses are expected to normalize in the future, with guidance provided on compensation expenses.
Bearish Highlights
- The company experienced net client cash outflows of over $500 million.
- Revenues increased less than AUM due to a decrease in performance fees.
Bullish Highlights
- The credit team has successfully raised $9.2 billion in net inflows for the high-income strategy.
- The annualized organic outflow rate improved from 3% in 2023 to 1%.
- There is strong institutional channel funding in fixed income and global unconstrained strategies.
Misses
- Net client cash outflows, though improved, remain a challenge.
- Performance fees have decreased, affecting revenue growth.
Q&A Highlights
- The company is adjusting its sales and servicing strategy to focus on central teams for sales and autonomous investment teams for servicing.
- New alternative credit strategies have been introduced and are expected to resonate with clients.
- The macro environment is not seen as a significant factor for demand for the company's products.
- There is excitement about the potential of the global unconstrained strategy and the new dislocation and credit opportunity strategies.
In conclusion, Artisan Partners Asset Management is navigating a period of strategic expansion and adjustment, with a clear focus on enhancing its credit and alternative investment strategies. The firm remains confident in its ability to deliver results and grow, despite experiencing some client cash outflows and a decrease in performance fees.
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- Market Cap (Adjusted): $3.25 billion
- P/E Ratio (Adjusted) for the last twelve months as of Q1 2024: 17.25
- Dividend Yield as of the latest available date in 2024: 7.25%
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Full transcript - Artsn Prtnr Asst (APAM) Q1 2024:
Operator: Good afternoon, everyone and welcome to the Artisan Partners first quarter 2024 conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the floor over to Artisan Partners Asset Management. You may begin.
Unidentified Company Representative: Welcome to the Artisan Partners Asset Management business update and earnings call. Today's call will include remarks from Eric Colson, CEO, Jason Gottlieb, President, C.J. Daley, CFO. Following these remarks, we will open the line for questions. Our latest results and investor presentation are available on the investor relations section of our website. Before we begin today, I would like to remind you that comments made during today's call, including responses to questions, may include forward-looking statements. These are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including the not limited to the factors set forth in our earnings release and detailed in our SEC filing. These risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to differ materially from those disclosed in the statement, and we assume no obligation to update or revise any of these statements following the presentation. In addition, some of our remarks today will include references to non-GAAP financial measures. You can find reconciliations of those measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in the earnings release and the supplemental materials, which can be found on our investor relations website. Also, please note that nothing on this call constitutes an offer or solicitation to purchase or sell an interest in any Artisan Investment product or a recommendation for any investment advice. I will now turn it over to Eric Colson, CEO.
Eric Colson: Thank you, and thank you everyone for joining the call or reading the transcript. We constantly come back to who we are. We are a high-value-added investment firm designed for talent to thrive in a thoughtful growth environment. This is who we have always been. It is our DNA and our competitive edge. We steer clear of narrow labels. A term like traditional manager has never accurately described who we are and what we do. We have always taken a broader view. Our focus has always been on high-value-added investments managed by exceptional talent. In our earliest years, with great talent, we entered the marketplace in non-core, high-dispersion areas like small-cap and mid-cap equity. International growth and value investing. These were and remain areas where exceptional talent can generate differentiated results. When we entered fixed income in 2014, we started with high Yield, another inefficient space where talented portfolio management can add value and manage risk. We have expanded our fixed income capabilities with additional high-value-added strategies, including long-short credit, emerging market debt, and global macro. We have demonstrated time and again our ability to deliver across different talent, generation, asset classes, geographies, and client types. By building and maintaining a home designed specifically for investment talent, we are able to generate alpha for clients, develop durable investment franchises, and produce quality outcomes for shareholders. Turning to slide two in my 2023 annual letter, I described the characteristics that we believe define an ideal home for investment talent. It all starts with our investment-first culture. This culture originates from the belief system of our investment talent, who must have a passionate conviction in their investment philosophy and a willingness to execute through thick and thin over long periods of time. This waterfall of passion, philosophy, process, execution, and alignment flows into business operation and distribution, which we build and manage for our investment talent and investment capabilities, not the other way around. At Artisan Partners, every single person prioritizes investments, from the Board of Directors to our newest associates and across all functional areas of the firm. Everything is focused on and flows from investments. We attract and retain great talent. That talent generates results for clients. Revenues grow over time. We generate successful outcomes for our associates and shareholders. At Artisan, each investment team operates autonomously with respect to its investment philosophy, process, people, research, and decision-making. We complement investment team autonomy with extensive resources and support, customized to fit each team. We believe that the Artisan combination of investment autonomy, resources, and support is unique in the industry and a competitive advantage. It is what attracted Brian Krug to join Artisan Partners in 2013 and partner with us to establish the Artisan Credit Team. On April 1, the credit team's high-income strategy had its 10 anniversary, joining 10 other Artisan strategies with track records of more than 10 years. I've asked Jason to spend a few minutes on the credit team's platform and, most importantly, the team's future.
Jason Gottlieb: Thank you, Eric. The development of the Artisan Credit Team over the last 10 years is a testament to two things. First, Brian Krug is an investor, leader, and entrepreneur. And second, the quality and relevance of the Artisan Partners operating and business model across asset classes. It bears repeating that when Brian joined Artisan in 2013, the firm had no prior experience in supporting and distributing a fixed-income investment strategy. Brian joined Artisan Partners because he believed in the power of the autonomous investment team model and our investment-first culture. Prior to joining Artisan, Brian was already a successful investor and leader, but he was willing to step away from what he had already achieved for the freedom to build an investment franchise designed specifically for him. He wanted control over investment capacity, and he wanted his ideas implemented in strategies that he managed. Over the last decade, we have partnered with Brian to methodically build a team, a track record, and a franchise. Since inception, the high-income strategy has generated average annual returns of 6.18% after fees, which is nearly 42% more return on average per year for 10 years compared to the passive index. Over that period, the Artisan High-Income Fund is ranked number two out of 135 funds in the Morningstar High Yield Bond category. Starting from scratch without any pre-existing fixed-income business, we have raised a cumulative $9.2 billion of net inflows into the high-income strategy, including $1.5 billion in 2023 and $866 million in the first quarter of 2024. From its inception, the Artisan High-Income Fund ranks number two in net flows out of 138 funds in the Morningstar High Yield category. Critically, though, Brian and the credit team have expanded beyond high income. They've been building out an array of capabilities, strategies, and vectors for future growth. In 2017, the credit team launched one of Artisan's first alternative strategies, credit opportunities. Using a broader array of securities, long and short positions, and greater flexibility across the credit and liquidity spectrum, credit opportunities has generated an average annual return of 10.24% after fees since inception. We believe the credit opportunity strategy has generated comparable to better returns and private lending with greater liquidity and transparency. In January 2022, the credit team launched the floating rate strategy, which provides clients with access to the team's long-demonstrated skill in the leveraged loan market, along with a portfolio consisting largely of floating rate loans resulting in minimal duration risks. And just last year, we closed $130 million of commitment to the Artisan Dislocation Opportunities Fund. The Dislocation Fund will allow the credit team to put new capital to work quickly and efficiently in both public and private securities if and when the credit markets dislocate. The team has a successful record navigating periods of market stress. For the COVID drawdown and recovery period from March 31, 2020 through March 31, 2021, credit opportunities generated a 50.16 return net of fees. We congratulate Brian and the credit team for establishing a credit platform with broad degrees of freedom and capability. As Eric said in our earnings release, we believe that great talent transcends narrow categories. Looking ahead, we believe the credit team is just getting started. We are diversifying the high-income strategy business with institutional and non-US capital. Of the nearly $2.4 billion in AUM we have raised in the strategy over the last five quarters, 20% is from institutional separately managed accounts and 17% is from non-US investors. We are particularly focused on growing the credit team's alternative capabilities, strategies, and businesses. Credit opportunities has an impressive nearly seven-year track record, taking advantage of broad opportunity sets, the ability to short, the COVID dislocation, and the ability to hold less liquid positions. Market dispersion in the triple-T space is right for credit selection. And the structure of credit opportunities gives Brian more flexibility to invest in smaller and less liquid issuances, another area where more potential for absolute return in alpha. As Eric has previously discussed, we have picked up the pace and volume of marketing credit opportunities and certain other alternative strategies. We are seeing progress in terms of more and higher quality engagement with prospects and clients. We still have a lot of work to do in order to better market alternative strategies, but we are seeing signs that our investments are paying off. We are extremely excited to continue to develop the credit franchise over the next decade. Turning to slide four, as Eric mentioned earlier, on April 1, the high-income strategy became our 11 strategy with a track record of 10 years or more. We have five strategies with track records over 20 years. The average tenure of the portfolio managers on these 11 strategies is 21 years. Seven of these strategies continue to be managed by their founding portfolio manager. These facts point to the effectiveness of our business model, our talent focus, and our investment-first culture. There is a wide spectrum of individuals, teams, strategies, asset classes, and time periods represented on this slide. There are, though, common themes. Outstanding and stable leadership over long periods, compelling absolute returns that we believe have generally met or exceeded client return expectations, significant alpha generation, and differentiated investment philosophies and processes. These KPIs over long periods are the metrics we care about the most. They indicate that we are attracting and retaining great talent, maintaining and evolving our investment platform, and compounding wealth for clients over long periods. Including our first fixed-income strategy on this list, launched from scratch 10 years ago, gives us tremendous confidence that our platform can deliver across even broader ranges of asset classes and geographies going forward.
Eric Colson: Thank you, Jason. Congratulations to Brian Kruge and the credit team. The credit team is reminiscent of other successful outcomes we have had at Artisan Partners. Our growth team, founded in 1997 with a single strategy focused on US. mid-cap growth equities, now invests globally and across market caps. Truthful Strategies launched over a span of 22 years that collectively manage over $41 billion. Our international value and global value teams manage over $70 billion in the aggregate and were born out of a team founded in 2002 with a strategy focused on non-US value equities. Our global equity team manages over $14 billion and served as the launching pad for our 11 autonomous investment team, the international small mid team, which manages over $7 billion. Building enduring investment franchises takes time. It's a multi-decade process that requires a solid foundation of people, process, culture, and results. When those characteristics have come together, we have established durable, long-term, highly profitable businesses. Because our model and philosophy are geared towards talent and high-value-added investing in general, as opposed to any one type of individual or investment strategy, we have been able to methodically add investment talent, teams, asset classes, and strategies over time. Having added fixed income 10 years ago and our first alternative strategy seven years ago, in many respects, Artisan Partners as a firm is just getting started. We continue to align our distribution model with the progress we are making in broadening degrees of freedom for our investment talent and adding alternative strategies. While our business model has endured the test of time across asset classes, the evolving industry landscape has required us to evolve from being bought to selling a broader array of investment capacity. Patience and determination has served us well versus cutting corners and forcing outcomes. As Jason said today, we have tremendous conviction in our ability to apply our model and philosophy to an even broader set of opportunities. We look forward to executing on those opportunities and continuing to perform for our clients, our talent, and our shareholders. I will now turn it over to CJ to discuss our recent financial results.
C.J. Daley: Thanks, Eric. An overview of financial results begins on slide seven. Asset center management ended the March quarter at $160 billion, up 7% from the last quarter and up 16% from the March 2023 quarter. Investment returns contributed $10.8 billion to our AUM in the quarter. Approximately $1.4 billion of those returns were in excess of benchmark returns. Net client cash outflows during the quarter were just over $500 billion. Net outflows in our equity strategies were partially offset by net inflows in our fixed income and alternative strategies. For the quarter, the annualized organic outflow rate was 1%, an improvement from 3% in 2023. Average AUM for the quarter was up 10% sequentially and up 14% compared to the March 2023 quarter. Our complete GAAP and adjusted results were presented in our earnings release. Revenues in the quarter increased 6% compared to last quarter. The increase was less than the increase in average AUM due to a decrease in performance fees recognized relative to the fourth quarter of 2023 and one less day in the March quarter. Compared to the March 2023 quarter, revenues were up 13% on higher average AUM. Our average recurring fee rate for the quarter was 69 basis points, consistent with last quarter. The fee rate is down slightly from the March 2023 quarter, largely due to strategy mix and the tiered billing structure within many of our investment management agreements with clients, wherein the fee rate declined as assets under management grew. We expect the recurring fee rate to remain consistent with the last few quarters at 69 basis points. Adjusted operating expenses for the quarter increased 8% sequentially, primarily due to a $7 million increase in expenses that are front loaded in the first quarter of each year. Those include 401k matching contributions, healthcare costs, employer payroll taxes, and director compensation. Short-term incentive compensation also increased in the quarter in line with higher revenues. During the quarter, we continue to invest in talent for our annual long-term incentive awards. Over 85% of the awards were granted to investment professionals to align our key talent with clients and shareholders. The 2024 award consisted of $38 million of cash-based franchise capital awards and $21 million of restricted stock awards. Generally, 50% of the award vests pro-rata over five years and the remaining 50% vests on or 18 months after a qualified retirement. The majority of the 2024 awards includes a new traditional retirement acceleration feature. This new provision eliminates the five-year time vesting requirement when certain recipients have a qualified retirement after having met an age plus years of service threshold of 70. All other vesting conditions, including career vesting service and notice periods, and clawback provisions remain. From a financial statement perspective, the new feature results in front loaded expense for awards granted to employees who already meet the age plus years of service requirement. The cumulative amount of expense recorded over the entire vesting period remains the same. The feature added $2 million to long-term incentive compensation expense for the quarter, including the impact of this acceleration feature. Long-term incentive compensation expense, excluding mark to market impact, will be approximately $17 to $18 million for each of the remaining quarters this year. Adjusted operating income increased 2% sequentially and 17% compared to last year's March quarter. Adjusted net income for adjusted share declined 3% compared to last quarter and increased 19% compared to the March 2023 quarter. In calculating our non-GAAP measures, non-operating income includes only interest expense and interest income. Although the income generated on our seed investment adds to shareholder economics, we fully exclude these investment gains from our adjusted results in order to provide transparency to our core business operations. Our balance sheet remains strong. We currently have about $155 million of seed capital invested in our investment products with significant amounts of realizable capacity. As those products begin to scale, we will redeem the seed capital deployed in our new products, otherwise reinvested in the business or returned to shareholders. In addition, our $100 million revolving credit facility remains unused. We continue to return capital to shareholders on a consistent and predictable basis through quarterly cash dividend payments and a year-end special dividend. Consistent with our dividend policy, our board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of $0.61 per share with respect to the March 2024 quarter, which represents approximately 80% of the cash generated in the quarter. Cash generated in the quarter was reduced by $6.8 million to net total vesting of employees' restricted stocks and boards during the quarter. The repurchased shares were retired and reduced the number of shares outstanding. That concludes my prepared remarks. I will now turn the call back to the operator.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we'll begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] And our first question today comes from Bill Katz from TD Cowen. Please go ahead with your question.
Bill Katz: Thank you very much. Thank you for the prepared comments. Eric, just as you continue to sort of migrate your platform and talk about some of the success platforms and growth of the teams respectively, how are you thinking about that against some of the bigger opportunities in the space? I guess fixed income replacement largely investment grade, non-investment grade as it sort of fits with Brian's team. But maybe things like real assets getting into infrastructure or real estate or maybe even retail democratization as a distribution channel. I wonder if you could sort of update your thinking with us on sort of how you sort of see that mapping going forward.
Eric Colson: Yes, certainly. As you know, Bill, we spent a lot of time just looking at long-term asset allocation and where the markets are going. You've seen a big pickup in the alternative space and we've seen quite a bit of activity in the fixed income. And we're very happy with how we've built out the credit team with Brian Krug as we've made comments on the call. We think that the M-Sites team on balancing the non-traditional fixed income and even with the global macro gives a nice balance, again, with high value-added long-term allocations for emerging markets debt, which we think look very strong in the next couple of years here, especially coming off of the big outflows the last couple of years, which I think helps us enormously as we build towards our three-year track record. And as we look at other alternative allocations to real assets, infrastructure, real estate, we see the allocations are very steady. You look at the real estate market where there's a good allocation to core and core plus, and then you look into the value added and the opportunistic segments. It's very similar to how we entered other asset classes. So, we continue to look at hard assets, real assets, real estate, and other alternative strategies. And with that, we're aligning some of our distribution to marry with that. And we think that the proof case of the fixed income teams just demonstrates that we can broaden the firm more and more into different asset classes as we've said over the years. We just have two really good proof statements now with the fixed income teams.
Bill Katz: Great. Just a follow-up. I just want to stay on the same theme around flow opportunity. You're spending a lot of time with us on credit and EM sites, which makes a ton of sense. Your performance in equities is getting a little bit better, all else being equal, a quarter-to-quarter, but it's a big part of your platform today. Any sense of allocations in equities picking up from here, or is it still sort of a source of funds for other sectors? Everything else we're talking about is real estate, infrastructure, etc. Thank you.
Eric Colson: There's a couple of tippy points in the equity. One is, I think, high on a lot of people's allocations is emerging markets in aggregate. It's created some low relative return and absolute return to other equity categories. There seems to be quite a bit of disruption in the allocation there, which we think brings money in motion. We like money in motion because then new opportunities arise, whether people get their emerging market allocation from direct exposure, as we've seen in the past, or to broader strategies, or incorporating it more and more into the global equity allocations and allowing teams to have higher emerging market exposures. In all cases, that disruption creates money in motion and opportunity for us to compete with our high-quality products. We clearly are seeing also, beyond the emerging markets, into the value space. There's been quite a bit of movement into value equities, both global, international, and domestic, across the board. And so, I would say the emerging markets pipeline to the value equity is showing some interesting inflection points.
Operator: Our next question comes from Alex Blostein from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead with your question.
Alex Blostein: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for the question as well. Maybe just to continue building on the fixed income discussion, obviously very nice progress in this business for you guys over the years, and appreciate you re-highlighting that again. Can you talk about what the next five years in this business looks like? Since launching, you guys gathered $11 billion in AUM or so over the last decade. How should we think about the path going forward and the speed of inflows? And maybe provide some details around what distribution platforms are you guys getting on now and how you are able to build on this momentum? Thanks.
Eric Colson: Yeah. On the fixed income side, it's leveraging the success and brand of Brian Krug and taking the high-income strategy over the last 10 years has created an incredible proof statement out to the institutional marketplace and the consultants. I think that really gives us two vectors off that one, allowing us to go deeper into the alternative space, what you've seen with credit opportunities and as Jason mentioned, the dislocation fund. We see the future growth of that strategy or that franchise balancing heavily into alternatives when you look at it from a revenue standpoint. And then secondly, the floating rate funds into the wealth space. So, after establishing that franchise and now there's really an ability to leverage into the high-net-worth wealth space with alternatives as well as into some of the broader broker-dealer platforms with a floating rate. So, we think we have very strong flow opportunities with the credit franchise. And if you look at that credit franchise and translate it to the M-Sites team, we see a bit more capacity in the emerging market debt given the breadth of securities, both the emerging market debt opportunities and the emerging market local opportunities provide more capacity in those strategies than what we see in the high yield or high income strategy, as well as it gives us very strong growth into the alternative space with the global unconstrained and in the global macro space for alternatives. And that franchise will help us heavily in non-U.S. with higher allocations of emerging market debt, mainly out of Europe and the Middle East. And in the U.S., it provides us a really good opportunity again into the alternative space and the wealth space with the global unconstrained. So really amplified growth opportunity with both fixed income teams.
Alex Blostein: Got it. Thank you. That's helpful. C.J., one just kind of cleanup question for you, you provided a little bit of guidance on part of the expense base, but maybe talk about expenses holistically as you sort of think about the rest of the year on both the comp and more importantly non-comp side of things.
C.J. Daley: Yeah. You know, this quarter, we obviously had our seasonal expenses as we do every year. So, expenses were a bit elevated because of that, as well as the addition of the retirement clause. So combined, you know, we had about $8 million more than we did the previous quarter in comp. And then non-comp had some seasonal expenses of about a million related to our annual fees for our directors. So, you know, moving forward, our comp rate was a little elevated this quarter. We think that, you know, that should normalize to around 53%, you know, depending on, what our variable expenses do. It'll go down as revenues go up and it'll increase slightly as revenues, you know, go down because of the variable nature of, you know, most of our expenses. You know, there's no real change from the guidance that we provided, you know, last quarter, other than, you know, the seasonal expenses and the addition of the retirement clause.
Operator: And our next question comes from John Dunn from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead with your question.
John Dunn: Thank you. Maybe could you just take us through some of the puts and takes in the institutional channel in one cue and then maybe over the next few quarters?
Eric Colson: Yeah, John, it's Eric. The institutional channel was fairly strong in the first quarter. We-you see that in the funding of the fixed income allocations and in the alternative space, we have good fundings in global unconstrained. So, I believe the institutional channel and both U.S. and non-U.S. are picking up for us. We're having quite a bit of dialogue in, as I mentioned, in the fixed income, as well as there is some disruption occurring in the emerging markets equity space as well. So-but both have been positive. And I think the-look forward is, you know, quite a bit of dialogue in with institutional buyers.
John Dunn: Got it. And then maybe just to go back to the kind of shift in distribution strategy from, you know, product being bought to sold in the wealth management channel, maybe you could just talk about some of the-first of all, how you think your progress is coming along and maybe some of the proof points we could watch to see and maybe just some specific things that you're doing to kind of bring it to life.
Eric Colson: Yes, certainly, John. We have a hybrid distribution model, which means that we have dedicated distribution people inside of each of the autonomous investment teams, as well as distribution teams inside the central part of the firm that focus on the wealth channel, broker-dealer channel, and non-U.S. And these teams work together. And over the last couple of years, we've been pushing more emphasis of sales inside the central teams and a bit more of the servicing aspect into the autonomous investment teams, the dedicated distribution people in those teams. The activity has created more meetings and more opportunities. So, we see a higher volume and meeting rate across the organization. And we think that this adjustment will bear fruit going forward. And really, the logic behind the change was the number of strategies that we offer today versus a few years ago, as well as the complexity of the strategies required us to make this adjustment. And we're tracking the progress and still feel we're in the early to mid-innings of the transition and think it will be solidified in the next year.
Operator: And the final question today comes from Kenneth Lee from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.
Kenneth Lee: Hey, thanks for taking my question. In terms of the new alternative credit strategies that you're introducing and have recently introduced, I'm wondering, in terms of the demand and traction with new clients, is it going to depend upon the macro environment, the rate environment, or is that not really an important consideration at this point? Just wanted to get your thoughts around that. Thanks.
Jason Gottlieb: Hi, it's Jason. I don't think it requires much on the macro side. I think people always have an allocation that they're thinking about to unique and differentiated strategies when it comes to their alt’s allocation. And so, for us, it's more about just getting out and talking about the opportunity that we think presents itself. Several of our strategies are actually a little bit more in the all-weather category, thinking about GLUN, global unconstrained, where you tend to get an uncorrelated return to broader benchmarks. You tend to get a low beta profile. So, I think that's really resonating. It's more about getting out and talking to clients about where it fits in a portfolio and how we think about it. And so, we're pretty excited about the engagement on that front, but it goes back to some of the comments that Eric had made. It is about getting out, telling the story a little bit more, and it has been resonating with clients. There's some strategies that have a little bit more seasoning to occur before we think we'll see that big inflection, thinking again about global unconstrained, where we just passed our, I believe it's our two-year anniversary. And as you know, people tend to look for three years. So that's a big one. We're very, very excited about the dislocation strategy and the raise that we had there. I think that's a testament to Brian, his brand, and the uptake was quite strong. And the credit opportunity strategy speaks for itself. I think people in general are very excited about credit more broadly with where rates are today, and it appears to be in the future at a higher level. And Brian being able to capture those dislocations on a more of an industrial or sectoral basis in something like credit opportunities is also quite compelling. So, we feel like we're pretty well positioned across all three when it comes to the credit platform.
Kenneth Lee: Great. Very helpful there. That's all I had. Thanks again.
Operator: And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question and answer session as well as today's presentation. We thank everyone for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
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