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Gold: Will Redditors Show This Commodity Some Love Too?

Published 02/01/2021, 01:43 AM

Will the Redditors on WallStreetBets move on to gold next?

As the world watches with mouths agape as once-meek retail investors play whack-a-mole with powerful stock-shorting hedge funds, I wonder if the democratization of investing would (and should) extend to the commodity markets too.

Silver 300 Minute Chart

In fact, silver, the so-called poorer cousin of gold, has already gained almost $3 an ounce, or 12%, since Thursday’s close of nearly $25.40 on New York’s Comex, on talk of Redditors going long on a metal said to be shorted below fair value by commodity funds.

I’m of the opinion that gold—like silver—has barely justified its trade levels over the past six months since being forced off August’s record highs of above $2,000 an ounce.

I have equally strong views against the dollar and U.S. bonds yields being held on a higher ground than gold, and we’ll come to that in a moment.

Gold Prices Barely Reflect Logic, Common Sense And Fundamentals

As the disclaimer on my columns read, I do not invest in the commodities or securities I write about, so I have a zero sum gain in advocating for higher gold prices.

My currency is invested instead in logic, common sense and fundamentals.

That last one is critically important because much of the mocking of the buy-till-we-die mania of penny stocks by the Reddit community now has been put down to a poor understanding of share valuations.

Citron Research, one of Wall Street's most famous short sellers and now one of those forced to buy back at astronomical prices the same GameStop (NYSE:GME) shares it was trying to drive down, bemoans that it’s lost upon the Reddit community that the stock the hedge fund was targeting belonged to a “failing mall-based retailer.”

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Citron’s Chief Investment Officer Andrew Left, a storied short-seller forced to eat humble pie over the Reddit sting—so much so that he will only advise on stocks worth going long on from here—tries explaining in a Youtube video the irrationality of the fate that befell his fund:

“The amount of people who are so passionate about putting GameStop higher (is) not based on any fundamentals—it just shows the natural state of the market right now.”

Let’s stop right there and apply that same logic to the dollar and bond yields via the standing of the U.S. fiscal deficit, debt and money supply.

At a 1.1% yield on the 10-year note, the annual servicing payment would amount to roughly $370 billion. Right now, U.S. national debt is approaching $28 trillion, and total debt-to-GDP sits at a stunning 146%.

The U.S. federal budget deficit itself is already at $4.5 trillion or so, after adding the Trump administration’s $3 trillion plus COVID-19 stimulus for last year.

If the 10-year note’s yield rate stands at 2%, coupled with a $30 trillion national debt, annual servicing payments alone would amount to $660 billion roughly.

Annual deficits will continue to make the national debt stack ever higher.

And while the United States appears to be in the relatively early stages of a monetary expansion cycle, money supply could still increase substantially and set the country up for a return to the 2008/2009 financial crisis days.

With the dilution of the fiat monetary system, higher inflation is most certainly on the way. Historically, gold prices have a very strong correlation on a long-term basis with monetary base expansion.

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Bizzare: Dollar, Yields On A Pedestal, Gold Downtrodden

Gold Weekly TTM

Yet, the front-month gold futures contract on New York’s Comex lost 12% between its Aug. 7 record high of $2,089 and the $1,832 low of last week.

The Dollar Index, which pits the greenback against six major currencies, lost just 5% between its relative high of 94.795 on Sept. 25 and the bottom of 90.090 seen last week.

Even more mind-boggling was the Aug. 7 high of 0.569 on the U.S. 10-Year Treasury note was 75% lower than last week’s bottom of 0.996. In fact, the yield reached a pre-pandemic high of 1.187 around mid-January.

So, on fundamentals alone, what’s the justification for placing the dollar and yields on a pedestal, while trodding upon gold? Don’t give me the technical charts argument, which to me is secondary to fundamentals.

Also, let’s stop regurgitating the fertilizer about the Fed “taper.” Federal Reserve Chair Jay Powell has done everything in his power—short of climbing the Everest, diving to the depths of the Atlantic and slaying dragons—to make it clear that the central bank isn’t going to taper stimulus efforts or raise interest rates anytime soon to give dollar bulls the benefit of doubt in the so-called taper game.

In fact, if there’s any benefit of doubt to be given, it should be for the hurdles of bipartisanship sought by President Joe Biden for his $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus. Yet, with work-arounds like “reconciliation” available to Senate Democrats, the stimulus is likely to pass; maybe in a couple or more installments, but it SHOULD pass. And the $1.9 trillion won’t be the only fiscal relief he’s only looking at, Biden has promised.

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Of course, the commodity funds and the banks involved in the bullion trade know all this.

Gold: Naturally Depressed Or Manipulated?

Yet, gold prices remain depressed, even manipulated, should I say, to benefit the shorting funds and bullion-banks. Low gold prices also help central banks hoard the metal cheaply for reserve-building. I know I’m not alone in feeling this, based on the comments I get on my gold analyses, and the feedback on Investing.com’s gold forum each time the metal’s prices nears new lows for the year.

But my hopes for a Reddit shakeup of gold will probably not go far because of the entry level that determines these things. One reason the rally in penny stocks championed by retail investors over the past two weeks was so successful was because these assets were cheap to get into. GameStop was under $18 a share before its buying frenzy began. Gold is currently trading at well above $1,800 an ounce. It’s quite clear that we are comparing apples to oranges here.

Also, let’s be clear that I’m not advocating for lawless intervention in the markets, which would then defeat the very purpose of my post—that everyone plays on a field that’s level. The jury is still out on whether the WallStreetBets action on GameStop is tantamount to collusion, which would then be “unlawful.”

But while the lawyers who charge hundreds of dollars or more an hour chew over the legalese of this, let's not forget how we got here in the first place: the hedge funds that shorted GameStop borrowed 140% of all the available shares in the company—more than what was LEGALLY available—to apparently reach their so-called “fair value” for the stock. There’s another word for this: greed. It accompanies two other interchangeable words: Arrogance and Stupidity. That’s what these hedge funds are paying for.

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All said and done, it’s empowering—and fun—to break down the walls that protect the elite—especially the undeserving elite, who wouldn’t be where they are if the rules that applied to others applied to them too. It’s also heartwarming to read that a 10-year-old boy whose mother innocently bought him 10 GameStop shares at just over $6 each two years ago is at least $3,200 richer now.

Let me know your thoughts on gold.

Disclaimer: Barani Krishnan uses a range of views outside his own to bring diversity to his analysis of any market. He does not own or hold a position in the commodities or securities he writes about.

Latest comments

I used to have confidence in gold prices due to fundamentals and am still long as I stubbornly/stupidly believe that fundamentals have to kick in at some point.I have found that fundamentals mean little/nothing and that gold prices are 100% dependent on the whims of the corrupt gold bullion banks
fantastic article, thanks. Also, the banks lure amateurs (call all crying for deposits) into betting/trading in order to get their money, (they are the money makers, also for the brokers), while never telling 95% give up (lost deposits), while the Big speak together not to outcompete themselves internally (never loses money/manipulation). its clear, hedge funds never needed proper risk management, before now.  (too Big, can short 140% !!!!)
Ha ha .... we're on the dawn of financial remaking, it appears, Jan. Let's get strapped in and see how far it goes :)
It’s all silver 😜
silver have peaked .. all maddness might collapse any second .. only my thoughts
Once the deleveraging of the meme stonks will have started, huge volumes of cash will pour in the equity market. Among them, the commo. and the emerging markets are showing a monster cyclical pattern...
Celian, it will indeed be interesting to see how this develops.
The answer is obviously a resounding no.
No one's compelling anyone. But also learn to appreciate the logic behind the argument.
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Update yourself! It's a trap created by Citadel that owns tons of options on Silver... They tried to involve Reddit community saying they wanted to buy Silver, but it's false. https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/citadel-silver-bet-exposes-rifts-082912706.html
READ, Filippo, for Pete's sake, READ: What I wrote was  ... "on talk of Redditors going long on a metal said to be shorted below fair value by commodity funds." (it's clear that it's based on other reports. Every financial media was citing this as a reason yesterday, before the so-called "revelation" you have shared here. Learn how news cycles evolve before you comment.  By the way, this must've come out of thin air, I guess: https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l71rdv/silver_biggest_short_squeeze_in_the_world_slv_25/
lost a bit of faith from me here
I'm losing faith in the ability of readers to see the logic in my posts. The story is about gold and how it's true value is being suppressed by so-called market forces. The bit about silver was just to say that such talk had also emerged in that metal. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Learn to substance, for crying out loud!
Siege Jay ... adding dropped words..  learn to "focus on" substance
redditors are aganist this .. and its overpriced already .. still gold might be a good buy in general
Thank you, Vip Homi, for at least seeing the logic in the argument.
stop lying. redditors never targeted silver. LIARS. Media campaign.
 Just go to WSB and you will see that's one post in a ocean of  posts against silver...
 It doesn't preclude the fact that silver "on the talk". And that's exactly what I said when I wrote this at 8PM Eastern yesterday. Every financial media from Wall Street Journal to MarketWatch and Bloomberg were reporting the so-called "squeeze".
 dropped word ... the fact that silver "rose" on the talk
daddy musk is gonna take us all to mars ✋ 💎
Join the ride on his Space X company.
They should buy JNUG which is ETF tied to gold.
I'm more keen that they support the underlying commodity, so that it gets the respect it deserves.
Reditters arent targeting Silver. Hege funds are trying to get boomer money in there to dump. It is heavily shorted though
No, only GME Also, Redditors*
It's a variation in spelling.
CoMa, since you snowflakes would rather quibble over form than substance, we are fixing it to Redittors. Happy? :)
No.
At Redditers I just stopped reading
It's a variation in spelling. It's not in Oxford, unfortunately.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/be49w9/reditters_what_was_your_biggest_oopsie/ it's used here too.
Since you snowflakes would rather quibble over form than substance, we are fixing it to Redittors. Happy? :)
With the hedge funds beginning to unzip, the big manipulation by the consortium stands exposed finally. The traditional and logical chemistry of dollar and real rates/bond yield vs Gold which was forcefully distorted to suit their greed should come on track and the disconnect should eventually come to an end. Manipulations can not sustain the natural course. The sooner they cover their shorts, the better, lest the metal gives them even worse nightmare than Game stock.
In theory, everything is aligned for a return to $2000 gold, Sunil. Yet, the manipulation to keep it underbid continues. What stops massive retail intervention is, of course, still the relatively high entry or price of well above $1800.
Massive misinformation spreading going on. WSB has nothing to do with silver price rise. Have you people actually visited their page? https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/la01pe/reeters_and_blomburg_are_flooding_the_news_with/
It looks that that post has been removed by WSB mods. Instead this one is still live: https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l71rdv/silver_biggest_short_squeeze_in_the_world_slv_25/
Wow good article. Barani is with Reditter.Lol
Thanks for the feedback, Kamal. Hah .. I'm still with Investing.com :)
This is great article!! It totally makes sense! Great points!
Thanks for the feedback, Ronald. Happy to see that these points resonate with you too!
Great article. Will be exiciting to see if Gold is next in line for WSB or if 1800$ is a non work enviroment for the man on the floor
True, Tobias. I think it's still premature to expect this to become an enduring revolution in investing as it may remain a fad, depending on its staying power. But it's certainly an epic event by any scoring and the Reditters will be lionized by the upcoming movie. It's also so refreshing and empowering to see the hedge funds that once lorded over the markets to admit there's someone possibly more powerful than them: the average Trader Joe :)
meanwhile in MCX exchange in India. Gold is down 3% while globally it's up 1%
Facepalms indeed, Rahul!
India announced 5% cut in Basic Customs Duty from 12.5% to 7.5% and the price has adjusted to the changes.
thanks, Dixit ji & krishnan ji
I love your titles they are very brilliant🤩 Buy physical and silver gold, it’s the only way to hedge against inflation.
Abdelraziq, the democratization of investing is here! :)
Indeed it is ,, I have to admit you are the most comprehensive and objective writer in this site :)
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Abdelraziq!
Great article barani :-)
Thanks for the feedback. Waiting to hear from more :)
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