First Financial Bancorp (NASDAQ:FFBC) reported a robust first quarter in 2024, with significant growth in loan balances and a stable asset quality. The adjusted earnings per share stood at $0.59, alongside a return on assets of 1.3% and a return on tangible common equity of 19.1%. Despite rising funding costs, the net interest margin was maintained at a solid 4.1%. The acquisition of Agile Premium Finance is expected to diversify the company's loan portfolio further. Looking ahead, First Financial Bancorp anticipates continued loan growth, stable net interest margins, and strong credit quality, with a commitment to maintaining its current dividend level.
Key Takeaways
- Adjusted earnings per share reached $0.59 with a return on assets of 1.3%.
- Return on tangible common equity was reported at 19.1%.
- Net interest margin remained strong at 4.1%, despite the negative impact of rising funding costs.
- Loan growth was robust, with a 10% increase on an annualized basis.
- Noninterest income improved, and expenses were reduced through workforce efficiency.
- The acquisition of Agile Premium Finance aims to diversify the loan portfolio.
- Asset quality was stable, with a decline in net charge-offs and a decrease in nonperforming assets.
- Forward-looking guidance includes loan growth between 10% to 12%, net interest margin between 3.95% and 4.05%, and stable dividends.
Company Outlook
- First Financial Bancorp expects loan growth of 10% to 12% annually.
- Net interest margin is projected to be between 3.95% and 4.05% with no federal rate cuts.
- Fee income is anticipated to be between $56 million and $58 million.
- Noninterest expenses are projected to be between $120 million and $122 million.
- Management expressed confidence in the company's outlook and potential future capital actions.
Bearish Highlights
- Funding costs have negatively impacted the net interest margin.
- The company anticipates funding pressures to continue into the next quarter but to stabilize later on.
Bullish Highlights
- Noninterest income has rebounded.
- Workforce efficiency initiatives have successfully reduced expenses.
- The company's credit portfolio is considered strong, with confidence in the office book and manageable renewals for 2024 and 2025.
Misses
- Projected 10% loan growth in the second quarter will not cover the anticipated 5% deposit growth, necessitating the use of borrowings to fill the gap.
Q&A Highlights
- The company plans a 5% deposit growth, equating to $175-200 million per quarter.
- Agile business is expected to reach $200 million by year-end and grow to $400-500 million in 3-4 years.
- Net interest income is expected to rise toward the end of the year.
- No immediate plans for further specialty finance company acquisitions, but open to rational opportunities.
- The company is replacing withdrawn business account funds with CDs and money market accounts, increasing funding costs.
First Financial Bancorp's Q1 2024 earnings call showcased a company navigating a challenging economic landscape with strong fundamentals and strategic growth initiatives. Despite the headwinds of increased funding costs, the company's diversified portfolio and efficiency measures are positioning it well for the coming quarters. Investors and stakeholders will be watching closely to see if the company can continue to deliver on its promises and maintain its robust financial performance.
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Full transcript - First Financial Bancorp (FFBC) Q1 2024:
Operator: Thank you for standing by. My name is Mondeep and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the First Financial Bancorp 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference over to Scott Crawley, Corporate Controller. You may begin.
Scott Crawley: Thank you, Mondeep. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on today's conference call to discuss First Financial Bancorp's first quarter financial results. Participating on today's call will be Archie Brown, President and Chief Executive Officer; Jamie Anderson, Chief Financial Officer; and Bill Harrod, Chief Credit Officer. Both the press release we issued yesterday and the accompanying slide presentation are available on our website at www.bankatfirst.com under the Investor Relations section. We'll make reference to the slides contained in the accompanying presentation during today's call. Additionally, please refer to the forward-looking statement disclosure contained in the first quarter 2024 earnings release, as well as our SEC filings for a full discussion of the company's risk factors. The information we will provide today is accurate as of March 31, 2024, and we will not be updating any forward-looking statements to reflect facts or circumstances after this call. I'll now turn the call over to Archie Brown.
Archie Brown: Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. Yesterday afternoon, we announced our financial results for the first quarter. I'll provide some high-level thoughts on our recent performance, and then I'll turn the call over to Jamie to provide further details. I'm pleased with our first quarter results and encouraged by our trends, several of which were bolstered by actions we took during the quarter. These actions included a repositioning of a portion of the investment portfolio, a workforce efficiency initiative, and the acquisition of Agile Premium Finance. We also commenced the restructuring of a portion of our bank-owned life insurance portfolio, which is expected to increase income in the back half of the year. Adjusted earnings per share was $0.59, which resulted in a return on assets of 1.3% and return on tangible common equity of 19.1%. At 4.1%, the net interest margin remains very strong. Asset yields remained steady during the quarter. However, as expected, the continued rise of funding costs negatively impacted our net interest margin. Additionally, loan growth was robust for the second consecutive quarter with balances increasing by 10% on an annualized basis. Average deposit growth slowed for the quarter to a 2.3% annualized growth rate, and it included a seasonal outflow of approximately $100 million in business deposits early in the quarter. I'm pleased that noninterest income rebounded from the fourth quarter with increases across most of our fee revenue areas. During the quarter, we incurred a loss on the sale of investment securities associated with the repositioning of a portion of the investment portfolio. This repositioning has a very short earn back and should enhance our asset yields going forward. We also intensified our focus on expenses during the quarter. Our workforce efficiency initiative resulted in the reduction of approximately $5 million in annual expenses and we expect to realize an additional $10 million to $12 million in annualized expense reductions by the end of 2024. While expenses increased on a linked quarter basis, most of the increase was related to seasonal employee costs and variable compensation tied to the increase in fee income. We are excited to add Agile to our mix of specialty businesses. An overview of the company and transaction can be found on slide 13. Agile operates an impressive business model which originates high-quality, short-duration loans at attractive yields. At closing, we acquired $93 million in loans which grew to $119 million at the end of the quarter. Agile will further diversify the loan portfolio and is a perfect complement to our Oak Street and commercial banking businesses. Asset quality was stable for the quarter. Net charge-offs declined for the second consecutive quarter to 38 basis points and were primarily driven by charges on two office loans that had been on nonaccrual since early 2023. These two loans have been charged down to their net realizable value and no other office loans had a classified risk rating at the end of the first quarter. Overall classified assets increased 12 basis points to 0.92% of assets, while nonperforming assets declined 9.8% from the prior quarter. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jamie to discuss these results in greater detail, and then after Jamie's discussion, I'll wrap up with some additional forward-looking commentary and closing remarks.
Jamie Anderson: Thank you, Archie, and good morning everyone. Slides four, five and six provide a summary of our first quarter financial results. The first quarter was another solid quarter highlighted by strong earnings, net interest margin that was in line with expectations, solid loan growth, and the purchase of Agile Premium Finance. Similar to last quarter, our net interest margin declined due to increasing deposit costs but remains very strong at 4.1%. Additionally, we repositioned a portion of the securities portfolio which included selling $228 million of securities at a $5.2 million loss. We expect the reinvestment from these sales will bolster the margin in coming periods with a 278 basis point increase in yield. We anticipate further net interest margin contraction in the coming periods due to additional pressure on deposit pricing and changes in funding mix. However, we expect the pace of the decline to moderate. Total loans grew 10% on an annualized basis, which exceeded our expectations. Loan growth was concentrated in commercial real estate with smaller increases across the various other portfolios. Loan balances also included $93 million of acquired balances from Agile, which is a finance company specializing in insurance premium lending. We acquired Agile in an all-cash transaction at the end of February and the deal resulted in the creation of $5.6 million of intangible assets, primarily consisting of goodwill and a customer list asset. Excluding the loss on the sale of investment securities, noninterest income increased compared to the linked quarter. Leasing and wealth management once again had solid quarters while foreign exchange, client derivatives, and mortgage income increased from lower levels in the fourth quarter. Non-interest expenses increased from the linked quarter due to seasonal employee costs and higher variable compensation. Overall, asset quality trends were stable with lower net charge-offs and declining nonperforming asset balances with an increase in classified assets. Annualized net charge-offs were 38 basis points during the period, which was an 8 basis point decline from the linked quarter, while nonaccrual loans decreased 10%. We recorded $11.2 million of provision expense during the period, which was driven by net charge-offs and loan growth. Our ACL coverage remains conservative at 1.29% of total loans. From a capital standpoint, our regulatory ratios are in excess of both internal and regulatory targets. Tangible book value increased slightly, while our tangible common equity ratio increased by 6 basis points during the period. Slide seven reconciles our GAAP earnings to adjusted earnings, highlighting items that we believe are important to understanding our quarterly performance. Adjusted net income was $55.8 million, or $0.59 per share for the quarter. Adjusted earnings exclude the impact of the FDIC special assessment, losses on the sales of investment securities as well as acquisition, severance, and branch consolidation costs. As depicted on slide eight, these adjusted earnings equate to a return on average assets of 1.3%, a return on average tangible common equity of 19%, and an efficiency ratio of 60%. Turning to slides nine and 10, net interest margin declined 16 basis points from the linked quarter to 4.1%. As we expected, higher funding costs outpaced increases in asset yields, primarily due to a 19 basis point increase in funding costs. These costs were partially offset by a modest increase in asset yields during the period. Our cost of deposits increased 22 basis points compared to the linked quarter, and we expect these costs to continue increase in the coming months, but at a slower pace than we saw in the first quarter. Slide 11 details the betas utilized in our net interest income modeling. Deposit costs increased in the first quarter, moving our current beta up 5 percentage points to 43%. Our modeling indicates that our through-the-cycle beta is approximately 40% to 45%. Slide 12 outlines our various sources of liquidity and borrowing capacity. We continue to believe we have the flexibility required to manage the balance sheet through the expected economic environment. Slide 14 illustrates our current loan mix and balance changes compared to the linked quarter. As I mentioned before, loan balances increased 10% on an annualized basis with growth concentrated in ICRE and moderate growth in almost every other portfolio. Additionally, the acquisition of Agile contributed $119 million of growth during the quarter. Slide five provides detail on our loan concentration by industry. We believe our loan portfolio remains sufficiently diversified to provide protection from deterioration in any particular industry. Slide 16 provides detail on our office portfolio. About 4% of our total loan book is concentrated in office space and the overall portfolio performance metrics are strong. No office relationships were downgraded and nonaccrual during the quarter and our total nonaccrual balance for this portfolio declined to $17 million. Slide 17 shows our deposit mix as well as a progression of average deposits from the linked quarter. In total, average deposit balances increased $76 million during the quarter, driven primarily by a $198 million increase in money market accounts and a $186 million increase in retail CDs. These increases offset declines in noninterest-bearing deposits, public funds, and savings accounts. This was expected as the current interest rate environment has driven customers to higher-cost deposit products. Slide 18 illustrates trends in our average personal, business, and public fund deposits as well as a comparison of our borrowing capacity to our uninsured deposits. On the bottom right of the slide, you can see our adjusted uninsured deposits were $3.2 billion. This equates to 24% of our total deposits. We remain comfortable with this concentration and believe our borrowing capacity provides sufficient flexibility to respond to any event that would stress our larger deposit balances. Slide 19 highlights our noninterest income for the quarter. Total fee income was relatively unchanged at $46.5 million during the first quarter and included the loss on the investment portfolio that I previously mentioned. Wealth management and leasing business income remained strong while mortgage, foreign exchange, and client derivative income all increased from fourth quarter levels. Noninterest expense for the quarter is outlined on slide 20. Core expenses increased $4.2 million during the period. This was driven by an increase in variable compensation tied to fee income, as well as higher employee costs, which includes annual raises and a seasonal increase in payroll taxes. Turning now to slides 21 and 22. Our ACL model resulted in a total allowance which includes both funded and unfunded reserves of $160 million and $11.2 million of total provision expense during the period. This resulted in an ACL that was 1.29% of total loans, which was unchanged from the fourth quarter. Provision expense was driven by net charge-offs and loan growth. Net charge-offs were $10.6 million, or 38 basis points on an annualized basis, which was an 8 basis point decline from the linked quarter. In other credit trends, nonaccrual loans decreased 10% during the period while classified asset balances increased to 92 basis points of total assets, primarily due to the downgrade of two relationships. Our ACL coverage was unchanged and we continue to believe we have modeled conservatively to build a reserve that reflects the losses we expect from our portfolio. We anticipate our ACL coverage will remain relatively flat or increase slightly in future periods as our model responds to changes in the macroeconomic environment. Finally, as shown on slides 23, 24, and 25, regulatory capital ratios remain in excess of regulatory minimums and internal targets. During the first quarter, tangible book value increased slightly and the TCE ratio increased 6 basis points due to our strong earnings. Absent the impact from AOCI, the TCE ratio would have been 9.18% compared to 7.23% as reported. Slide 24 demonstrates that our capital ratios would remain in excess of regulatory targets, including the unrealized losses in the securities portfolio. Our total shareholder return remains robust with 43% of our earnings returned to our shareholders during the period through the common dividend. We believe our dividend provides an attractive return to our shareholders and do not anticipate any near-term changes. However, we will continue to evaluate various capital actions as the year progresses. I'll now turn it back over to Archie for some comments on our outlook. Archie?
Archie Brown: Thank you, Jamie. Before we end our prepared remarks, I want to comment on our forward-looking guidance which can be found on slide 26. Loan pipelines remain healthy, payoff trends remain lower and we expect seasonal tailwinds from our recent acquisition of Agile to contribute to overall growth of 10% to 12% on an annualized basis over the near term. For securities, we expect the portfolio to remain stable. Deposit growth has been solid and we expect to grow moderately over the next quarter. Our net interest margin has remained strong and resilient and we expect it to be between 3.95% and 4.05% for the next quarter assuming no fed cuts. We expect our credit costs remain consistent with the prior quarter --prior quarter, while ACL coverage as a percentage of loans is expected to be stable to slightly increasing. For the full year, we expect net charge-offs to be approximately 30 basis points. Fee income is expected to be between $56 million and $58 million as fees increase from seasonal lows, and this includes $12 million to $14 million foreign exchange and $15 to $17 million for leasing business revenue. Noninterest expense is expected to be between $120 million and $122 million, which includes $9 million to $11 million in depreciation expense for the leasing business. Specific to capital, our capital ratios remain strong and we expect to maintain our dividend at the current level. Overall, I'm pleased with our quarter and the work our teams are doing to continuously improve the company while we're in a difficult operating environment for the industry, I'm encouraged by our results and trends and expect that we will continue to have a strong year. We'll now open up the call for questions.
Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Daniel Tamayo with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Daniel Tamayo: Thank you. Good morning, Archie. Good morning, Jamie.
Archie Brown: Good morning, Danny.
Jamie Anderson: Good morning.
Daniel Tamayo: Maybe we start on the -- on the loan growth guidance. It's a good strong number, but just curious if you could kind of deconstruct that for us where you're expecting that? And I know you put a lot of information on the Agile acquisition in the deck, which certainly I appreciate, but just if you could incorporate how Agile fits into that loan growth as well? Thanks.
Archie Brown: Sure, Danny. So the first quarter, you see it on the slide, it was a little bit more ICRE and Agile were probably the bigger drivers. I think our view of the second quarter is going to be a little more broad-based. ICRE is going to probably fall back a little bit for the quarter, but we're going to see more broad-based. Agile will probably be about a third of that overall growth in the quarter. Commercial banking, our Oak Street units' Summit Funding will all contribute more we believe in the second quarter. Again, ICRE will contribute some, just not as much as what you saw in Q1.
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And I'm sorry, were you going to say something else?
Archie Brown: No.
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And you mentioned cross-selling opportunities from Agile. Just curious what you're thinking about the opportunities there are.
Archie Brown: Yes. There's going to be some work. It's not going to happen immediately. But we know that, you know, our commercial businesses are, you know, they sometimes there's a lump payment due to, you know, for property and casualty insurance and we've got the ability to help finance that over a one year -- or a little bit less than a one year window for them. So some will want to take that opportunity to do that. So we need to just introduce Agile and work them into getting to know our commercial bankers and offering as another alternative offering for clients.
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. And then finally, just again on Agile, just the, I think you had 10 to 20 basis points as the credit loss expectation for that business. How should we think about that? Is that kind of full cycle or near term or, you know, just if you could kind of…
Archie Brown: Yes. I'd say that as it ramps up and gets to kind of to its fuller run rate, that we will start to see that, you know, I would say more, think about more later on as opposed to near term. When we acquired the portfolio, we did spend time selecting what we think were the highest quality assets and making sure the strategy fit with our kind of our credit appetite. So I would tell you when it matures, that's what we would expect, but in the near term, it'd be less than that.
Daniel Tamayo: Okay. All right. Well, terrific. Thanks for taking my questions.
Archie Brown: Thanks, Danny.
Operator: Our next question comes from a line of Terry McEvoy with Stephens. Please go ahead.
Terry McEvoy: Good morning, guys.
Archie Brown: Hey, Terry.
Jamie Anderson: Hey, Terry.
Terry McEvoy: Jamie, I was wondering if you could help us think about the margin in the second-half of the year when you take into consideration the BOLI restructuring as well as the security sale that occurred in the first quarter.
Jamie Anderson: Yes. So just to be clear on the BOLI restructuring, that income, it's down in fee income. So that is included in our fee income outlook. And that restructuring, it takes a little bit of time for that to kind of, for the insurance carriers to process that. So it will typically take 90 to 120 days, kind of ish for that to pull through and we get those dollars reinvested. But that, that hits down in fee income. So it's not really a margin, not really a margin item. So, but on that, just to clarify, that'll hit mostly in the -- starting in the third quarter, there won't really be a large -- we'll get some of it, but it won't be a large second quarter item. But obviously then on the margin, the securities repositioning is going to help our asset yields also the Agile acquisition as well will help increase our asset yields, plus just the reinvestment of assets into current rates is obviously helping as well. So as the Agile assets, their yield is around 9%, so that is at least 100 basis points, or so higher than kind of the rest of our current offering rates on the loan book. So that's going to help. And so when we look at the margin now in the -- obviously we gave the outlook for the kind of the near term or the second quarter. When we look out in the back half of the year, we see the margin stabilizing. So our forecast, we currently have two rate cuts, one kind of still in the middle of the year, whether that will happen or not will remain to be seen, and one towards the back half of the year in that November-December timeframe. And so we have our margin stabilizing in the back half of the year in that 390 to 395 range. And then if we don't get any cuts, that -- we just -- that just helps our margin stay a little bit higher for a little longer. So it would be maybe in that -- in that higher 390-range if we don't get any cuts.
Terry McEvoy: Perfect. Thanks for all that information. And then as a follow-up on expenses, the actions taken last quarter. Is that built into the $120 million to $122 million expense outlook, or should we expect expenses to come down later this year? Was it $10 million to $12 million? I couldn't write it down as quickly as I wanted to, when Archie was discussing it.
Archie Brown: Yes, Terry. This is Archie. So the $5 million I referred to…
Terry McEvoy: $5 million.
Archie Brown: That we realized in the first quarter, by the end of the quarter, I think we've got that baked into our near-term expense outlook that did fully cover the cost of the Agile operating expenses. So it does a nice job of that. But it's all baked into the near term. The $10 million to $12 million additional expense savings on an annualized basis we think that'll be realized by the end of the year. So it'll affect more next year in full. But there's going to be some gradual, you know, each quarter, some gradual incremental reductions coming from that work. It just won't be fully, I guess, in effect or impacting the company until we get to the end of the year.
Terry McEvoy: Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Have a nice weekend.
Archie Brown: Thanks, Jerry. You too.
Jamie Anderson: Thanks, Jerry.
Operator: Our next question comes from Chris McGrady with KBW. Please go ahead.
Chris McGrady: Hey, good morning.
Archie Brown: Hey, Chris.
Chris McGratty: Good morning. Jamie, question on the funding with the step up in the loan growth, what's the plan to fund it? Are you going to borrow? Are you going to do something on the CDs? What's the plan to fund the extra growth?
Jamie Anderson: Well, it'll be a little bit of everything. So we have about 5% projected deposit growth for the remainder of the year, kind of across the board. And then we will obviously, depending on where the loan growth plays out. You know, so if we look at -- if you look at 5% deposit growth, that's about in that $175 million, $200 million a quarter deposit growth on that side. And the -- if we have -- we're showing around 10% or so growth in the second quarter in loans, and that doesn't quite cover that 10%. So we would fill in the rest with borrowings and then we'll see where loan growth shakes out for the rest of the year. But about 5% deposit growth, and then again, we'll just fill in with -- fill them with borrowings.
Chris McGratty: Okay, great. And then just a couple of housekeeping items on the bond restructure. What's --do you have the spot rate for the bond portfolio?
Jamie Anderson: The spot with a current yield? Is that what you're asking?
Chris McGratty: Yes. I'm just trying to, like second quarter, like security yields. Is that what I'm trying to get at?
Jamie Anderson: Yes, give me one second here. So, yes, total investment yield projected around 4.15%.
Chris McGratty: And then maybe I'll sneak one in on capital, Archie. I mean, you talked about organic growth, a tuck-in deal. Is there any change in conversations activity on traditional banks? Obviously, the marks are hard with rates, but you guys have a multiple. I was just wondering if, any thoughts there.
Archie Brown: Yes, Chris, it's Archie. I mean, there are, I'd say just we were having each quarter some conversations and I think things generally advance a little bit, but I can't tell if there's anything we're seeing right now near term that would use up the capital we are building. So it's something we'll keep working on to see if something makes sense for us. But there's nothing right now that's immediate or imminent.
Chris McGratty: Thank you.
Archie Brown: Yes.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Jon Arfstrom: Great. Thank you. Good morning, guys.
Archie Brown: Hey, Jon.
Jamie Anderson: Hey, Jon.
Jon Arfstrom: A few follow-ups. On Agile. Archie, where do you think this business could go? I see your $80 million end-of-year target, but what kind of longer-term growth expectations do you have for it?
Archie Brown: Yes, Jon, it's going to be over sometime. I mean, this year I think we're -- it's probably going to be a little bit shy of $200 million by year end. It may actually, we've got some seasonality in the middle part of the year. So it may peek out around $200 million in the summer and then slightly fall back to around $190 million, or so by year end. But then next year we think that can ramp up some more. So I think over 3 to 4 years, if you're talking about a business that's maybe $0.5 billion range, that's probably what we would say right now. These loans are very short in tenure. They're probably 10 months, something like that. So you got to do a lot in order to keep it going. But if we get into that $400 million or $500 million range over the next several years, I think that's probably where it gets to.
Jamie Anderson: What we like, though, Jon, it's got great granularity, high quality. It's another lever. It helps us diversify the overall loan book. It complements the commercial banking team. So we like all the different facets that they come with it.
Jon Arfstrom: Yes. Now, I think it makes sense. And then Jamie, for you, I hear you on the margin pressures, but how about net interest income inflection? When do you think that could occur given the loan growth, maybe that happens before the margin. Is that fair?
Jamie Anderson: And Jon, just to make sure I understand you're talking about just dollars of net interest income…
Jon Arfstrom: Just dollar net interest income.
Jamie Anderson: Yes. When that starts to move up again?
Jon Arfstrom: Yes.
Jamie Anderson: More like towards the end of the year. I mean, obviously, with, we are looking at still here, first quarter to the second quarter of, call it about 10 basis points of margin compression around that area. And then, so keeping the dollars the same here, first to second quarter probably is unlikely. But really, then in the back half of the year, as the margin stabilizes a little bit more, you'll see that with the growth that we have, you'll see that those dollars start to stabilize and then move up.
Jon Arfstrom: Okay. All right. Thank you. And then, Bill, maybe for you, just on credit in general, how you're feeling about credit. And then I like that, office maturity schedule slide or table on slide 16. What are you seeing on some of those loans that are coming up from renewal from your point of view? And how do you kind of look ahead to get ahead of any problems?
Bill Harrod: Yes, yes absolutely. So on the office in particular, we have a quarterly cadence review, including stress testing of the book from all the different angles that you would expect. And then we supplement that with portfolio review discussions on the buckets that we identify with potential issues. And we do this on a quarterly basis and as we look at, you know, '24 and '25, you know, we have a manageable handful of deals to work through during that time. But overall, we feel good about our office book as it sits today, and we monitor that every, like I said every quarter. On the global book, I do -- I feel good about it. I think as I look out in the future, we have the office nice and ring-fenced. Our C&I is performing very, very well and feel pretty good.
Jon Arfstrom: Okay. All right. Thanks, guys, for the help.
Archie Brown: Thanks, Jon.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Alex Twerdahl with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Alex Twerdahl: Thanks. Good morning, guys.
Archie Brown: Hey, Alex.
Alex Twerdahl: Just wanted to go back to the loan growth guide. I think that ten to 12% in the near term that makes sense given that ramp-up that you talked about with Agile and some of the other pieces contributing in the second quarter. But I mean, is that sustainable into the back half of the year, or do you think that there's going to be maybe as rates remain high, maybe that cools down a little bit in the third and fourth quarter?
Archie Brown: Yes, Alex, it's a little harder to tell. Our pipelines coming into the quarter were -- they were ramping up in Q1. They're healthy and they're remaining pretty strong and stable. We can look out into the middle of the year and feel pretty good. Just a little murkier. If I'm handicapping, I would tell you it's probably, it feels like it may be just a little bit lighter than that 10% to 12% annualized rate that we are talking about right now when you get to the back half.
Alex Twerdahl: Yes, that makes sense. Not a lot of banks projecting that pace of loan growth at all this year, so. I guess like going to the NIM with the Agile loans coming on with the 9% plus the securities restructuring, some of the other dynamics. Kind of, I guess a little surprised to see that amount of NIM compression still expected for the second quarter. So are there some -- is it really just the funding, just like some higher tranches of borrowings may be repricing during the quarter or maybe talk about really what's driving that, that level of compression in the second quarter still?
Jamie Anderson: Yes. Alex, it's Jamie. So, yes, it's really the funding side that's driving all of that still. And really what we are seeing is just that continued mix shift on the deposit side, you know, the dollars moving out of, you know, the lower cost buckets into the money market and CD specials. And that just continues to drive up the -- we were starting to see that mitigate some in the back half of the first quarter, but we still see some of that going on in the second quarter and that's just driving the cost up. We're seeing dollars continue to move out slowly still in our business DDA balances and the average balance of those accounts are still higher than what they were historically. So we are still seeing some dollars move out of there and we're replacing those dollars with CDs and money market accounts. So it's just driven -- that's just driving up the funding. And so yes, we get a little bit of benefit from the asset yields. I mean obviously Agile helps. It's just a small couple hundred million on the loan base. It obviously helps, but it's not enough here in the very near term to offset the -- offset that funding pressure that we are seeing. But we expect that funding pressure again, another quarter of that with maybe a little still some of it in the third quarter, but not as much as the second quarter, and we just see that the deposit costs start to stabilize again absent any rate cuts.
Alex Twerdahl: Okay. Appreciate that color. And then as you think about the Agile and I guess really more broad term for the specialty finance businesses, I got to think that their funding costs are getting pressured even more than banks. And I'm just curious, have you seen an increase in these types of deals? Like how many would you typically look at in any given year. And is that some of these specialty finance-type transactions, are they going to be, I guess, should we expect them to be part of the overall growth strategy for ‘24, beyond the Agile acquisition?
Archie Brown: Yes. Alex, it's Archie. I'll discuss it. We do -- I think because we have acquired several specialty companies we are higher on, I'm going to use the whole term, the Rolodex of bankers that are calling around for different companies. But we really never responded to those. Everything that we've really acquired has been in a way based on some relationships we have or a network we have with people. So we are really not out looking for more. I would tell you certainly in the wealth space if we ever found something that makes sense and the pricing could be rationalized, right, we would consider something like that. But we are not really out looking for more specialty companies. This was a -- it came in through some connections we had, and we really liked what this business looked like in terms of, again, the diversity, the yields, the complements, commercial banking, the granularity. We liked all that. So, yes, and it's a Chicago company, and that's, you know, right here, not far, and we've got other presence in the Chicago area. So not looking for more, but it fits in the pattern of the things we've acquired over recent years.
Alex Twerdahl: Great. Appreciate all the additional color. Thanks for taking my questions.
Archie Brown: Thanks, Alex. Have a good day.
Operator: That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the conference over to Archie Brown for closing remarks.
Archie Brown: Well, thank you for joining us on today's call and following along with us for a quarter. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter. Have a great weekend. Bye now.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
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