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Earnings call: Eastside Distilling reports robust Q1 results amid challenges

EditorBrando Bricchi
Published 05/19/2024, 08:25 AM
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Eastside Distilling, Inc. (NASDAQ: EAST) has presented a strong first quarter for 2024, with consolidated gross sales reaching $2.5 million, driven by a surge in digitally printed can sales and steady bulk Spirit sales. Despite a net loss of $1.3 million and an adjusted EBITDA of negative $800,000, the company has shown optimism in their Craft Beverage and Spirits businesses. The Craft segment, in particular, is experiencing a record number of digitally printed can sales, contributing to incremental customer sales and improved margins expected in Q2. The Spirits segment is navigating through consumer trends of trading down, yet volumes remain on target. The company is refocusing its spirits investment in profitable segments and regions, and the mobile canning business has achieved positive EBITDA. With new leadership hires and strategic partnerships in the works, Eastside Distilling is positioning itself for growth and NASDAQ compliance.

Key Takeaways

  • Eastside Distilling reported Q1 gross sales of $2.5 million, with printed can sales compensating for a decrease in bulk Spirit sales.
  • Craft Beverage services achieved a record number of digitally printed can sales, expected to improve Q2 margins.
  • The Spirits business maintained volumes despite consumer trends of trading down.
  • The company is refocusing its spirits investment in profitable segments and regions.
  • New leadership hires and strategic partnerships are expected to drive sales and growth.
  • Eastside Distilling is working towards NASDAQ compliance and is optimistic about future prospects.

Company Outlook

  • Eastside Distilling is optimistic about the ramp-up of their digital can printer and the broader customer base it is attracting.
  • The company is focused on driving revenue growth and profitability in both the Craft and Spirit divisions.
  • Digital printing is identified as the main growth opportunity, with mobile canning also contributing positively to EBITDA.
  • Eastside Distilling is actively working on improving its balance sheet and achieving compliance with NASDAQ listing requirements.

Bearish Highlights

  • The company reported a net loss of $1.3 million for Q1 2024.
  • Adjusted EBITDA remained negative at approximately $800,000.
  • Consumer trends of trading down are creating headwinds for the tequila market.

Bullish Highlights

  • Craft segment saw record sales of digitally printed cans, which are 100% recyclable, durable, and efficient on production lines.
  • The hiring of Business Development Manager Kevin Mann is expected to form strategic partnerships and drive sales.
  • The company won three new large volume customers, establishing credibility and becoming a key player in their customers' supply chain and marketing platform.


  • There was a decrease in bulk Spirit sales, although this was offset by an increase in printed can sales.

Q&A Highlights

  • The company discussed its focus on key core markets and the need to downsize manufacturing to achieve a cost-leading position.
  • Success in selling bourbon wholesale at record prices and achieving high margins was mentioned.
  • A potential partnership is close to being finalized, which could further enhance the company's market position.

Eastside Distilling is navigating a competitive market with strategic shifts towards its most promising segments. The focus on digital printing and the Craft Beverage market, combined with efforts to streamline the Spirits division, underscores the company's commitment to adapt and thrive amidst changing consumer behaviors. With incremental investments aimed at long-term gains and a clear path to NASDAQ compliance, Eastside Distilling is poised to capitalize on its unique product offerings and operational strengths.

InvestingPro Insights

Eastside Distilling, Inc. (NASDAQ: EAST) has recently faced significant challenges, as reflected in the real-time data and InvestingPro Tips. With a market capitalization of just 1.66 million USD, the company's financial health is under scrutiny, especially considering a substantial Price to Earnings (P/E) ratio of -0.17, suggesting that investors are wary of the company's profitability prospects. The adjusted P/E ratio for the last twelve months as of Q1 2024 further declines to -0.26, highlighting ongoing concerns.

The company's revenue has experienced a decline, with a decrease of 22.61% over the last twelve months as of Q1 2024. This is compounded by a gross profit margin of only 6.03%, indicating that Eastside Distilling is struggling to convert sales into meaningful profit. Additionally, the company's operating income margin stands at a concerning -49.38%, suggesting that the company's costs are significantly outpacing its revenue.

InvestingPro Tips suggest that Eastside Distilling operates with a significant debt burden and may have trouble making interest payments on its debt. This is a critical issue for investors to consider, as it could impact the company's financial stability and future growth potential. Moreover, the stock has taken a significant hit over the last week, with a price total return of -40.28%, reflecting investor sentiment and market reactions to the company's performance.

However, it's not all bleak for Eastside Distilling. Analysts anticipate sales growth in the current year, and net income is expected to grow as well. These insights could signal a potential turnaround for the company, provided it successfully capitalizes on its strategic initiatives and market opportunities.

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Full transcript - Eastside Distilling (EAST) Q1 2024:

Operator: Good evening, and welcome to the Eastside Distilling First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tiffany Milton, Controller. Please go ahead. Thank you.

Tiffany Milton: Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss Eastside Distilling's financial results for the first quarter of 2024. I'm Tiffany Milton, Eastside's Controller. And joining us on today's call to discuss these results is Geoffrey Gwin, the company's Chief Executive Officer; and Conor Kilkenny, Craft CEO. Following our remarks, we will open the call to your questions. Now before we begin with prepared remarks, we submit for the record the following statement. Certain matters discussed on this conference call by the management of Eastside Distilling may be forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended, Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended, and such forward-looking statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The forward-looking statements describe future expectations, plans, results or strategies and are generally preceded by words such as may, future, plan or planned, will or should, expected, anticipates, draft, eventually or projected. Listeners are cautioned that such statements are subject to a multitude of risks and uncertainties that could cause future circumstances, events or results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Such matters involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially, including, but not limited to, the company's acceptance and the company's products in the market, success in obtaining new customers, success in product development, ability to execute the business model and strategic plans, success in integrating acquired entities and assets, ability to obtain capital, ability to continue its going concern and all the risks and related information described from time to time in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the financial statements and related information pertaining to the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now with that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Geoffrey Gwin. Geoffrey, please proceed.

Geoffrey Gwin: Great. Thank you, Tiffany, and welcome to our first quarter 2024 conference call. We have a lot to discuss this quarter. In addition to Tiffany, I'm excited to have Conor Kilkenny join us today. Conor joined Eastside in January as the CEO of Craft and comes to us with an extensive background in manufacturing. Conor will share some of his first impressions of Crafts business and outlook in a moment. Now if you're new to the company, we operate two distinctly unique businesses, including a Craft Beverage services business, which we refer to as Craft. And we also have a Spirits business, which sells a number of great brands, including Burnside whiskeys, Portland Potato Vodka and Azunia Tequila, primarily in the Pacific Northwest as well as other regional markets. Now one particular highlight in our company is the investment craft and digital can printing a couple of years ago. This is a very new technology that allows us to decorate 100% recyclable aluminum cans for the Craft Beverage segment. This is a very exciting business opportunity for us as one of the most dynamic and competitive spaces in consumer packaging. Now new entrants in this category are faced with tough decisions as they chart at out to market. It's a crowded space and extremely expensive to launch a new beverage brand. Think about it. How many new products have you come across in your daily life over the last year? Now I'd be surprised if you actually guess that number correctly. I suspect you'd be way off on that number. But the reality is many new products are simply out, go unnoticed. They simply show up. You may notice them briefly, but they fade away and the morass of all the new ideas and concepts we see daily. Now for a startup, reaching you a potential consumer, just getting your attention, but alone actually building brand equity with you is a huge challenge. Now there are many paths you can take to try to build your brand. Take for example, the influencer space, which at times feels like a tsunami from me. People fill my inboxes daily suggesting that they can introduce us to influencers in the spirit side. There is an unknowable army of people claiming to have access to this social media large segment of promoters who can get your product in front of large numbers of virals. For many brands, navigating that road is fraught with challenges. Now why is this important for us? It's important because marketing around your product has changed. When I say around the product where I'm talking about, where it's sold on the shelf, the point of purchase, the moment a consumer makes a choice, that moment is huge. It's a moment of opportunity. Unlike a consumer connecting online, we have to see it, seek it out, find it, purchase it, have intent. On the shelf at retail, you're at the moment of opportunity as the consumer rolls by. They are there to buy something. So a new brand has a huge opportunity to win a customer. And I've said this repeatedly in the past, in the Craft Beverage based, the great equalizer here at the moment of opportunity is the packaging opportunity. You can go right with old boring cans and old technology or you can pick something that speaks to the consumer. Consumer beverage marketing has changed and we deliver the opportunity to run circles around national brands. To see this opportunity you need to start by wandering through the craft beer space in your grocery store. There, you will see great marketing, local brands, fighting successfully for shelf space. We see them win daily with data. Craft beer is not struggling. Those brands that embrace their advantage are winning in that aisle of the grocery store, you will see can decoration and mini forms, old school, screen friended, limited colors, same, seen it there always, same design. You'll see paper labels not recyclable, shrink rep plastic labels not recyclable. The latter two are difficult because they require high volumes and a lot of working capital. And in our market, you'll see a new type of digital packaging, digitally printed cans, these cans are extraordinary. They are the digital billboard that can change after 15 minutes when you drive by the stadium on the way home from a concert show. They can be unique, unique for a season, for a day, for a week. They can be a special beer, unexpected hard to get seasonal. The opportunities are endless here. Beverage manufacturers embracing this technology are just getting started. I started talking about this adoption two years ago, we've only seen a gain momentum. But now we finally have to see data that shows that these digital trend cans are driving incremental sales for our customers. We saw the adoption expanding again this quarter. In fact, I would say the adoption is accelerating for us. In the quarter, Craft produced a record number of cans. Conor will talk about that in a moment. Now while gross margins were impacted by a number of factors, including transitioning to a lower-priced can contract, expensing new parts and a price investment for large volume, we are pleased with the performance. We expect improved margins in Q2, but most importantly, we see this business growing and evolving very quickly. Now I'm going to let Conor talk in more detail about digital printing and craft, but I want to talk for a minute about the spirits and its performance for the quarter. Spirits had a great quarter, producing the best operating result without bulk sales we've seen in some time. EBITDA for that segment was only a $56,000 loss for the core for the entire quarter. Importantly, volumes work and were in line with what our expectations were despite the clear trend of consumers trading down at retail. Now this consumer shift has been ongoing for a few quarters now, and we've seen it across multiple categories. Also, it's important to keep an eye on agave prices. We're seeing input prices come off all-time highs, and we expect to see savings in the upcoming quarters there. That said, the tequila market is clearly facing strong near-term headwinds as consumers trade down there as well. We embarked on a multiyear effort to refocus our spirits investment in profitable segments and regions. And we will have more to report on that progress in the coming quarters, but suffice it to say, for Q1, I'm really pleased with the results. Now I want to pause there and introduce Conor, our CEO at Craft, and he can take you through his thoughts on the progress there and a little bit more about his background. Welcome, Conor.

Conor Kilkenny: Thank you, Geoffrey, and I'm very excited to be a part of the team. I look forward to meeting some of you on the call and you're always welcome to visit our facility in Portland. First, a bit about my background. I have an 11 year career working for a large scale engineering firm focusing on manufacturing efficiency. In 2013, myself and a man from Dublin, Ireland named James Gill started an engineering office in our garages, which focused on large scale high-tech manufacturing. Over the course of the next 11 years, we grew Barry-Wehmiller Design Group's high-tech consulting practice to the third largest in the United States. This experience gave me insights into the some of the world's largest and best run operations across multiple sectors and consumer products, but also how to set up a company for rapid scaling. I believe Craft will benefit from a number of process improvements that are already being implemented. For Q1 of this year, Craft's production output was 320%. I'll say that again, 320% higher than Q1 of 2023. We had three record months of production in historically the most difficult quarter, and we're on track for a fourth. Now I'll start my comments by echoing what I've heard over the past four months as I've traveled and meet new customers. What is clear is that, digital can printing isn't just a trend, it's an industry revolution. Unlike cans burdened by wasteful sticker labels and plastic wraps, our 100% recyclable solution is a game changer. Distribution and retail partners alike are recognizing the environmental impact and the digital printing crashed to the forefront of sustainable packaging solutions. Another primary benefit of our product, shelf presence. Forward thinking brands are unlocking the full potential of our technology to forge deeper connections with consumers. Our technology offers millions of color combinations and a multitude of finishes ranging from metallics, sophisticated mattes and high gloss applications. Furthermore, our technology empowers brands to add another dimension with unique can textures, creating a truly immersive brand experience. And our commitment to producing cans with the highest quality doesn't go unnoticed. We recently won Decoration of the Year for our Mother's Day can, featuring a unique texture that personalizes each can with the name of every mother in their company, an award which serves as a testament to our dedication to innovation and eye catching design. Yet another piece that differentiates Craft is our decade of experience of being a world class mobile canner. We have a firsthand understanding of the rigors of our production line and have leveraged our expertise to create cans with unmatched durability. They'll not only look stunning on store shelves, but also run flawlessly on high speed lines, minimizing downtime and maximizing efficiency. In fact, we're seeing broad adoption and I'm pleased to report we won three new large volume customers. Winning a customer like that is a big deal because you're winning their confidence. You become their supply chain and their marketing platform. So performance in between the four walls matters, quality matters and craft means quality. To further increase our quality and throughput, we began making incremental investments to improve our manufacturing and while that impacted margins in the short term, it will drastically improve the end result. Everything we are doing here is being done the right way, no cutting corners. We believe in doing something once and doing it right. In summary, I'm very excited to be a part of this exciting new business and I have a world class team to work with. And I want to take a second to recognize the leadership of that team. We have Bill Anders who leads our manufacturing. Bill has over a decade of experience in mobile canning and printing industry. And in my opinion, he's also the most knowledgeable pro in the industry when it comes to operating and maximizing the output of a digital printer. Leading our co packing and mobile division is Michael Kilgore, a seasoned industry veteran with over a decade of experience from head brewer to a wide ranges of experience in co packing and mobile canning. His diverse expertise lends to his ability to drive process improvements and maximize efficiency. The last person I want to recognize is our controller, Bruce Wells. Bruce is the most experienced pro in our company and it's also a manufacturing cost accountant. Bruce's knowledge allows us to have extremely accurate estimates on our manufacturing costs, which allows us to be very targeted as to where we implement improvements that yield the highest ROIs. One final announcement I would like to make is, we have recently hired a Business Development Manager, Kevin Mann. Kevin is based in Seattle, Washington and was the Marketing and Sales Director for nearly half a decade for a national beverage company, Ninkasi. His leadership led them through an explosive growth period. Kevin has relationships with most of the major beverage companies, distributors and grocers in the Western U.S. He understands the entire lifecycle of our cans from the source to the end consumer and is already forming strategic partnerships that are immediately translating into sales. Now with that, I will turn it over to Tiffany.

Tiffany Milton: Thank you, Conor. I'll summarize the financial results for the quarter, and then we will take questions. On a consolidated basis, our gross sales were $2.5 million for the first quarter of $24 million and $2.9 million for Q1 2023, primarily due to bulk Spirit sales of $600,000, offset by an increase in printed can sales. Craft sales were $1.8 million for 2024 and $1.5 million for 2023 as printing is finally gaining its full potential. Spirit sales were $600,000 for 2024 and $1.4 million for 2023, decreasing as a result of the bulk spirit sales in Q1 2023. Our consolidated gross profit was $200,000 for Q1 2024 and $600,000 for 2023, primarily due to our bulk spirit sales in Q1 2023 of $500,000 and -- our consolidated gross margins were 8% for 24% and 22% for 2023. Craft had margins of 3% for 24 and negative 7% for 2023. Spirits margins were 23% for 24 and 54% for 2023, primarily related to the book spirit sales. Operating expenses were $1.2 million for Q1 2024 and $1.9 million for Q1 2023, a decrease of almost $650,000. Our lower expenses reflect the success of our restructuring efforts throughout 2023. Our net loss was $1.3 million for Q1 2024 and $1.6 million for Q1 2023, and our adjusted EBITDA was flat at about negative $800,000 for both periods. We will now open the floor for questions. Operator?

Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question today is from Sean McGowan with ROTH. Please go ahead.

Geoffrey Gwin: Hi, Sean.

Sean McGowan: Hi, Geoff, how are you? Can you give us a little clearer sense of the ramp-up of output on the digital can printer? Like what kind of ramp up you're seeing there?

Geoffrey Gwin: I'll start and I'll let Conor add anything if you'd like to. I think we're seeing it really meet our expectation in the first quarter on volume. As Conor said, I mean the year-over-year comparison is there's really no comparison, we're really fully into 24/7 printing now. And that basically puts this thing on path to get to full capacity here shortly. There'll be opportunities to get more out of it here, but I see ourselves really on path here to fill the machine up. And I expect that we'll be in a position later in the quarter, later in the year to announce more capacity coming online in the facility. So we'll be able to double what we're producing with one machine. So I'm very pleased with the ramp-up. And Conan has done a fabulous job debottlenecking it, but more over than that, getting out into the field and really seeing the customer base understand where the market is and pulling people over the fence into the digital printing landscape. I can't stress how important that is today because once you get them over and you convert their supply chain and you start to really show them what they can do with this new packaging, then you're really in a position to just build off. And this is a reoccurring business, too, right? So we're going to resell the stuff every cycle. So Sean, I think I'm pleased with where we are in the ramp-up.

Sean McGowan: Okay. I don't know if there's going to be more details for Conor, but the actual number, the revenue number wasn't too far off from what I have, but I'm just wondering how we got there. Like are you getting the pricing you're expecting? Are you getting number of cans up to where you want it to be?

Geoffrey Gwin: We were a little lower on cans than we expected, but part of that was getting into the quarter. We had to really scramble to make sure we had the machine working at the level that we needed to get the volume that we're expecting and the consistency and the reliability that we're looking for. But there have been some price investment with larger customers to bring them over, but not as much as could be expected. And again, what we're seeing and Conor can echo this, probably is the breadth of customers, Sean, that are moving over is wider than I expected. So for example, if you're going to enjoy Dodgers baseball game this summer, you're going to be drinking beer out of a can we printed. We're starting to do business for other college groups that are part of the NIL right? So this is not going after the same large customers and fighting for them over price, these are starting to be customers that specifically need something unique like this who are looking for something where they can really benefit from the advantages that we can with digital printing.

Sean McGowan: Thank you. And any updates that you can provide would be helpful on shoring up the balance sheet or any changes there, both during the quarter and anything subsequent to grade.

Geoffrey Gwin: That’s a great question. I mean, one of the big things that everybody is obviously aware of and concerned about is the NASDAQ listing issue. Last year, we went down the road and this has been something that I've been working on for two years now is to fix the balance sheet. Fixing the balance sheet has been a priority, and we've made big changes there. Last year, we reduced a large amount of debt converted to equity. That was a hard choice to make, but it was a choice, I think was absolutely necessary to put us in a position where we could invest in the business and move forward. And I think that's a focus in the first quarter here and into the second quarter. We're looking to build a credible plan that's not just wholly built on balance sheet adjustments, debt to equity, but on really the income statement now. What you're starting to see in the company is the income statement change, right? We're seeing Crafts revenue really grow through what it historically did because we've realigned the business. But on the Spirit side, we're at a point where you're starting to see that business really at breakeven. And we alluded to it in the comments, and I'll just reiterate now, we're in advanced discussions with the group and you should expect to hear something from us shortly that really pushes spirits into a new realm of profitability here in the back half of the year. So between the balance sheet, some possible changes that we're working on to get our in compliance with NASDAQ and finishing some of these priorities on the income statement, driving Craft to full capability out of its one facility, leveraging fixed expenses with multiple digital printers. And then on the Spirit side, finally getting to a point where we're generating positive cash and net income out of that business. Those two elements are going to be the best fixed for the balance sheet, I think.

Sean McGowan: Okay. Appreciate that.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question is from Matt Campbell with Laridae Capital. Please go ahead.

Geoffrey Gwin: Hi, Matt.

Matthew Campbell: Hi, Jeff. I want to say it's been a long haul here. But it was pleasing to hear from Mr. Kilkenny about hiring a business development guy. Now it sounds like we're now hiring people to go out and get us business, which is phenomenal. Did I hear that correctly?

Geoffrey Gwin: Sure. Conor, do you want to talk about your team and the investments you're making in Seattle?

Conor Kilkenny: Yes. So our first goal was to hire a salesperson up in Seattle. But we laid out kind of a skill set of what we were looking for up there, mainly geared towards a business development manager to help with our sales team and what we went and had and found is a guy who has, like I said, he had five years' experience as the marketing and the sales director for one of the largest beverage companies in the Northwest. And he's very, very hungry, but he's also very skilled at finding how we are a value add for the customer. So we're not just offering a beautiful can to them, we can also help them with their forecasting also their business strategy as well as how to leverage that. In its first three weeks, he has already sold a tremendous number of cans.

Matthew Campbell: That’s helpful. So it sounds like you guys have gotten the kinks out of the printing side of the equation that you can drive the revenue, which is great to hear. Were there any other onetime items on the Craft side? Like where is mobile canning that side of the business? Is that now breakeven for us, so it's not going to bleed? We’d love a color there.

Geoffrey Gwin: Go ahead, Conor.

Conor Kilkenny: Yes. Mobile was actually positive EBITDA in the first quarter. So yes, we've gotten the operation down to where the expenses align with what the sales are. And it's actually it's above breakeven.

Geoffrey Gwin: So remember, just to remind people on the call, so the legacy business of Craft is mobile, which actually is a fascinating business. I mean, conceptually for the people that don't know it was, I think, actually originated by Craft and the people, the four rooms of Craft. I mean it was a business that was envisioned where they took a very small filling line, wild goose line and was able to architect it to fit it into a box truck and then they go to a local site that's like a small brewery and then they basically are successful in bringing the facility and the production capability to the local site. So that sounds complicated and it is, it was. And to scale that business, the company struggled with the return on investment because if you can think about it moving a tiny small factory footprint, and we had 13 of them at our peak and moving them to a customer, bringing them back, you bear a tremendous amount of risk and operational complexity. And then inevitably, when the customer gets large enough, they just moved off and built their own factory or bought their own equipment. Now we haven't fully exited mobile because the mobile customer base is extremely important to us. I mean it's part of our DNA, but just also informs the company on how we can better serve our customer. So while we have reduced our mobile activities, we've exited Denver, we've reduced our activities in Seattle to some degree and also Spokane. We're still very active in Portland, and we will continue to be very active in Portland. But as Conor said, we've got that to a point where we sized the opportunity. It's a great part of the package that we can cross sell. But the biggest opportunity, as you said, is digital printing. There's only a handful of people in North America with functional digital printing. There have been investments made in other technologies that are not effective apparently. Fortunately, we have a great partner in Hinterkopf. That's the technology partner that we have that helps us with our equipment. And we're doubling down there. So as far as the onetime items, you can imagine, I mean, there's a lot of things that you have to react to in a quarter. So as we see this volume of demand in front of us and Conor gets that demand. For us, we have to be in a position that we meet the customers' needs. We cannot win 1 million can deal from somebody and then wake up on a Sunday afternoon and say, we don't have the spare part to keep this thing running through the weekend. So we did have a number of items in the quarter that we had to expense in the quarter. So for example, we had a large amount of spare prices we bought pulled in. We expensed that. We had a lot of scrap that we caught up with as we ramped up had extra freight. And the other thing that I'll take my hat off to Conor's immediately in the door, he worked on our can costs. And our partner on the supply chain on the can side is outstanding, and they've helped us source cans cheaper, so we can deliver that on to our customers at a better price. So we work through some higher-priced plans in the quarter that normally we wouldn't have had. So as I look forward, I think we're in a position to really see some gross margin improvements. And then as I said before, the bigger opportunity for the business is when you get even more horsepower in that facility. You're not going to pay for another large number of operators because our operators are outstanding, and they can manage two machines. You're not going to have to pay another lease payment, you're not going to have to pay more towards the overhead because that's going to be leveraged. So as we move the cans, volumes up through $2 million a month and into a much bigger number, you're really going to see the margins and the profitability here change.

Matthew Campbell: That’s helpful, Goeff. How do you elaborate on Sean McGowan's question about the spirits business. You said you're in discussions to push spirits into profitability. Obviously, you commented on Agave prices now coming down, but we never know where Agave is going to go. So taking that out of the equation, is there a partnership that you envision here? How should we think about that where you do something that can really start to accelerate the opportunity that we have in these brands that haven't had any tender loving care for a while now.

Geoffrey Gwin: Yes. It’s a big question. I mean for everybody on the call, the company evaluated selling brands two years ago or basically not this past Christmas, but the holiday before that. We went to a full year of looking at the brands, talking to people that were potentially interested in them, and we've continued to do that. But one of the things that we've realized is there's a huge opportunity to maximize the value of the brand by continuing on this course to improve their performance, specifically their profitability performance. And one of the challenges that we've had and you have to go back in the company's history of a few years here, the company was built to produce product in larger scale and the vision then was to serve one of our brands that we're not involved in with anymore, and that's the Redneck Riviera brand. And we bring in blended whiskeys into Portland. We build product and then we ship it back East. Conceptually, it made no sense as far as trying to keep costs low and inevitably, proved to be a very bad business decision because at the end of the day, what we ended up having was a very expensive position on the shelf, and we weren't able to compete there. And so as the company downsized across the board in sales, its whole market operation east. And Harold Weber is probably on this call remembers this because he asked these questions, after call about why not be in New Jersey, why not be bringing products to -- that whole apparatus was extremely expensive and in the 3-tier distribution system, you have to be super focused on your investment and your go-to-market plan. So in this case, as that came back to reality and we were focusing on our key core markets, we never downsized manufacturing enough. And one of the key goals here in this next step is to be in a cost-leading position, finally. So we want to be in a position where we have significant market share, brand equity in our market. We can drive volumes, but we want to be in a cost-leading position, not just with the packaging, the liquid but also with our overhead. So you've seen the liquid already because, I mean, look, over the last two years, we sold bourbon wholesale at record prices and the margins in that you can see in this quarter compared to last quarter, we had a really big profitability year-over-year last year comparing it to this year because we sold wholesale Bourbon at great prices. We have a very low cost position there, and we're realizing really high prices in wholesale. So my point with that is we've got our cost position at down everywhere. Packaging (NYSE:PKG), liquid, we now just finish the overhead piece, and we're going to have enough gross margin dollars to do exactly what I was talking about on the Craft side, which is market around our brands and spirits. If there's one thing that's been a great thing about this company having two diverse groups, spirits business, consumer products spirits business, and then be in the unique digital training business, is it being informed at the importance of marketing around your bottle on the shelf in a liquor store. We've spent a ton of money on Portland Trail blazers in the past on billboards, all kinds of things, but we've not marketed around the bottle in the store. When we get our cost position right and we have enough disposable dollars to attack the market, we're going to win, and we're going to take share, and you're going to see volumes grow, they're going to start in Portland, and we're also going to use what savings we can get in the Agave move down to do the same thing in Azunia. Azunia is a little bit more complicated because it's a multistate product, and it goes through the traditional distribution system we have to work with our distribution partners, and that's been a long-running challenge. In Oregon, it's a control state, so it's a ship around to market. So I'm really optimistic that we're in a good position there. So we're going to see some improvements this year in spirits. I can't talk yet about that this new potential partnership, but I think we're really close to having it done.

Matthew Campbell: Thank you very much and continue good luck for the future. Looking forward to seeing us start to turn the income statement around. Awesome work.

Operator: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Geoffrey Gwin for any closing remarks.

Geoffrey Gwin: Great. Thank you, Gary. And I'd like to thank all of you guys on the call for listening to our conference call, and we look forward to updating you on the second quarter. All right. Great. Have a good evening.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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