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By Subrat Patnaik

(Reuters) - Apple Inc (O:AAPL) co-founder Steve Wozniak joined in the online debate over accusations of gender discrimination by the algorithm behind the iPhone maker's credit card, fuelling scrutiny of the newly launched Apple Card.

The criticism started on Thursday, after entrepreneur David Heinemeier Hansson railed against the Apple Card in a series of Twitter posts, saying it gave him 20 times the credit limit his wife received.

The much anticipated titanium credit card, part of a broader effort by Apple to derive greater revenue from services after years of heavy reliance on iPhone sales, was launched in August, in partnership with Goldman Sachs Group Inc (N:GS).

In an email, Goldman said Apple Card applicants were evaluated independently, according to income and creditworthiness, taking into account factors such as personal credit scores and personal debt.

It was possible for two family members to receive significantly different credit decisions, the bank said, but added, "We have not, and will not, make decisions based on factors like gender."

Hansson, who is the creator of web-application framework Ruby on Rails, did not disclose any specific income-related information for himself or his wife but tweeted that they filed joint tax returns and that his wife had a better credit score.

On Saturday, Wozniak chimed in with a similar experience, saying he got 10 times more credit on the card, compared with his wife.

"We have no separate bank or credit card accounts or any separate assets," Wozniak said on Twitter, in reply to Hansson's original tweet.

"Hard to get to a human for a correction though. It's big tech in 2019."

New York's Department of Financial Services said it was beginning an inquiry into Goldman Sachs' credit card practices.

"New York law prohibits discrimination against protected classes of individuals," Linda Lacewell, the superintendent of the New York State Department of Financial Services, wrote in a blog post. That barred an algorithm, like any other method of determining creditworthiness, from disparate treatment based on individual characteristics such as age, creed, race, color, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, among others, she added.

"We know the question of discrimination in algorithmic decisioning also extends to other areas of financial services."

Apple did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment on Sunday.

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Tokyo Tiger
Tokyo Tiger Nov 12, 2019 9:15AM ET
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Why is Woz complaining? I'd be happy if my wife's credit limit was 20 times less.
Daniel Stiglitzplatz
Daniel Stiglitzplatz Nov 11, 2019 6:45AM ET
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I would bet that Goldman's friends at Google have informed the bank that Men are statistically more inclined to purchase items over 300$ when out shopping and looking to buy something. Big things like TV's, electronics, power tools and engine equipped items (like snowblowers/riding mowers). Men don't buy the T-shirts and socks or weekly groceries typically. It's all about leaving the door open to the big spend. What is of concern is how a bank with no retail background is able to quantify the data that's out there vis-a-vis some third party cookie maker (a la Facebook or Google). Be careful what you do online.
Johnny Crash
Johnny Crash Nov 11, 2019 6:02AM ET
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Somehow that sounds so pleasantly sane and wise. We don't have any Apple devices at home but considering one for the wife now
John R Fanelli
John R Fanelli Nov 11, 2019 5:35AM ET
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I would expect for the CO FOUNDER OF APPLE to have a credit score 20x more then anyone else too. This is a joke right?
Jiang Botao
Jiang Botao Nov 11, 2019 5:15AM ET
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yet irrational apple fans will still get in line for this overrated piece of innovation, when literally everyone else has a head start already
Martin Beach
Martin Beach Nov 11, 2019 4:01AM ET
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its just marketing for Apple.
Utkarsh sinha
Utkarsh sinha Nov 11, 2019 3:18AM ET
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Gold man sachs has already said it is dependent on multiple factors and none in gender-based. What is more to it. It was a witch hunt to start with and more people are joining the witch hunt.
Kaveh Sun
Kaveh Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:03PM ET
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Perhaps they take income into the equation.
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It's safer not to use logic and reasoning here. This will become a rallying cause and better get onboard with the narrative being spun or you are gonna lose social credit points.
 
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