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S&P 500 to Dip Out of Bull Market as 30-Year Rate Nears 5%: What's Next?

By Michael KramerMarket OverviewOct 04, 2023 02:19AM ET
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S&P 500 to Dip Out of Bull Market as 30-Year Rate Nears 5%: What's Next?
By Michael Kramer   |  Oct 04, 2023 02:19AM ET
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Well, rates continue to increase following a hotter-than-expected and very volatile JOLTS data point. Now, rates are at a point where the economy will start to slow, and financial conditions are finally tightening.

At this point, the 2/10 spread is still -35 bps, and that means that the 10-year could still rise 35 bps from here to get us back to where it is flat with the 2-year.

There is no reason it couldn’t get there. This spread tops when the 10-year is 3% above the 2-year. Now, I’m not trying to suggest that the 10-year is going 8%, but what it tells us is that if the 2-year doesn’t start to come down at some point, there could be a lot more the 10-year can rise from here, and that would bring a lot of pain to equities.

US10Y-US02Y-Weekly Chart
US10Y-US02Y-Weekly Chart
As of today, the S&P 500 has declined approximately 8.5% from its peak on July 27. This decline signifies a breach of the head and shoulders neckline, a departure from a diamond pattern, and a fall below its October 2022 uptrend.

The index filled the gap at 4,220, effectively wiping out the entire summer rally. The 4,200 mark is crucial. Not only is it where the 200-day moving average resides, but dropping below 4,200 also means the S&P 500 no longer boasts a 20% gain from the October 2022 lows. It’s worth considering how many investors might grow anxious if the 200-day moving average is breached and the index is no longer in a “bull market.”

4200 is a big technical level and a very big psychological level, and if that breaks, I would think things get worse. Obviously, if you get weak job data on Friday and rates collapse, stocks will snap back. So suddenly, Friday’s job report just became a whole lot more important.

SPX-Daily Chart
SPX-Daily Chart

While the Nasdaq was down over 1.8% on the day, it’s in a bit better technical shape than the S&P 500 but not by much. The index has already broken its October uptrend and has now tested that level on a few occasions and been unable to get through that level, which is not a positive sign for the bulls. Additionally, it has been unable to maintain the neckline of the head and shoulders pattern around 14,670, on each attempt.

NDX 100-Daily Chart
NDX 100-Daily Chart

Something to watch at this point will be the spreads with high-yield debt, and one way to watch is the SHY to HYG ratio, which has spiked and broken above a downtrend, and out of a symmetrical triangle. The further this rises, the more pressure we will see on stocks because connected to the VIX.

SHY/HYG Ratio-Daily Chart
SHY/HYG Ratio-Daily Chart

Additionally, the spread between the 2/10 spread is key as well, as the S&P 500 just seems to be moving higher with credit spreads and the 2/10 spreads.

US10Y-US02Y-Daily Chart
US10Y-US02Y-Daily Chart

Finally, the health care ETF, XLV today broke an uptrend on the lower bound of a massive diamond pattern. Again you need to see follow through, but clearly, not a good sign. It seems any sector that pays a high dividend yield is getting hit very hard, and these once-viewed defensive sectors like Utilities, Staples, and Heath Care are no longer defensive.

XLV-Daily Chart
XLV-Daily Chart

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Fa Cai
Fa Cai Oct 04, 2023 12:39PM ET
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Mike Coone Oct 04, 2023 7:43AM ET
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Lol, I wonder how many post you tossed up when the market was at the high. It is a little late in the game to inform people. Until we get a new president in office and stop funding the Ukraine money drain, the $DJIA 29k is the next stop. $SPX 3700 is coming 4272 has already broken the breakout point and is now resistance. The Nasdaq is doomed! Retail is trash, black friday will be all about theft not sales. AI is a bubble that hinders on complete destruction is China attacks Taiwan before Biden is gone. Russia controls US inflation with their oil allies. There are no bullish pieces to this puzzle. 30 year fixed is headed to 8-12%, 7% is just back to normal. People should have been aware of all this and bailed out 2000 $DJIA points ago.
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dar dar Oct 04, 2023 7:43AM ET
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I couldn't have said it better myself. frightening. how many people think like I do? I hope we're both wrong
Hopium Dealer
HopiumDealer Oct 04, 2023 7:43AM ET
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Thats a hole bunch of ignorance for 1 post!!! Congrats!
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dar dar you are both wrong if you agree with what this dude said. 90% of it is pure partisan ignorance not founded in fact based reality. Finacial markets dont care about your politics are.
Otis Grant
Otis Grant Oct 04, 2023 5:55AM ET
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There's no reason the 2yr can't fall 35 bps either
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Yeah, maybe, but not likely if the 2yr-Fed Funds is inverted.
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The economy has already bottomed sorry.
Karos Dunga
Karos Dunga Oct 04, 2023 5:26AM ET
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Oh boy, it is coming, brace yourself.
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hiiii how are you
 
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