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Market Bottom: Are We There Yet?

Published 05/07/2022, 11:40 AM
Updated 05/07/2022, 12:14 PM
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By Yasin Ebrahim

Investing.com -- The post-Federal Reserve rally mid-week on Wall Street was short lived. The sellers returned a day later to carry out a demolition job. Stocks suffered the biggest one-day loss since the pandemic and extended their losing streak to six weeks.

The S&P 500 is down 14% year to date, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is 10%, Nasdaq 100 Futures slumped 23%.

When big selloffs make an appearance on Wall Street, debate about whether the market has bottomed isn’t far behind. But the market still hasn’t reached the “puking out” moment that usually precedes a market bottom and signals it’s safe for the bulls to come out of hiding.

“For downside capitulation, you need to have this ‘puking out’ in the market … that moment when the time comes to buy, but you won't want to,” Chief Market Strategist David Keller at StockCharts.com told Investing.com in an interview on earlier this week.

This 'puking out' moment, a precursor for investor capitulation, has yet to play out as there is still too much optimism and speculative bets sloshing around in the market as well as a lingering doubt that the Fed may not be prepared to do whatever it takes including causing a recession to rein in inflation. 

“Investors are still too excited about finding a bottom and riding the next leg higher, you need that to completely evaporate … you need people to think the last thing you'd ever want to do is buy stocks” Keller added. “That usually ends up being when the market bottom plays out.”

Identifying a market bottom isn’t an easy endeavor. But history suggests that there are a few key factors to watch: Price action, market breadth, and investor sentiment.

Price action, the movement of a stock’s price over time, has recently shown that optimism is fading as moves higher, or volume, in stocks on up days are lower than that on down days, suggesting that investor conviction to ‘buy the dip’ is fading.

Investor sentiment on stocks, meanwhile, has rebounded after hitting an all-time low last week, but remains below the historical average, according to the latest AAII Sentiment Survey, published on Thursday.

“Bullish sentiment, expectations that stock prices will rise over the next months, jumped by 10.4% to 26.9% last week,” AAII Sentiment Survey showed. But the big move wasn’t enough to prevent optimism from remaining below its historical average of 38% for the 24th consecutive week.

While price action and sentiment show that stocks are on the road to reaching a short-term bottom, market breadth, the movement of individual stocks that make up the index, continues to flag more speed bumps ahead.

In a bearish market backdrop, the market breadth tends to be negative, with more stocks declining than advancing. This negative scenario is exacerbated when markets are in the bottoming out phase, as a ‘sell everything’ mentally usually proceeds. But there are still corners of the market holding up well, suggesting sellers aren’t ready to surrender.  

“The challenge right now is you really haven't seen a complete bombed out market breadth scenario, where everything has gone down, there's still things that are actually holding up pretty well like energy stocks,” Keller said. 

“This also looks a lot like earlier in a cyclical bear market where the negative breadth that all of a sudden acknowledges that people are in the acceptance phase and recognizing that the markets really are deteriorating,” Keller added. “In 2008 and 2009, markets went down for another six to nine months before the eventual bottom and stocks."

Investor confidence in the Fed's ability to curb inflation without tipping the economy into a recession will also play a role in market bottom out process.  

"The idea that the Fed can manage inflation and raise rates in a consistent way without having a negative impact has started to shake. When the confidence in the Feds ability to manage through this is low, that is not a bull market environment," Keller said.

Others on Wall Street agree, though also point out that the risk to reward opportunity in stocks are beginning to look attractive as some of the recession risk is being baked into stock prices.  

"I think it's [market bottom] entirely dependent on whether the economy goes into recession or not, Chief Strategist at Spouting Rock Asset Management Rhys Williams told Investing.com in an interview on Thursday. 

"The risk to reward is attractive because there seems to be increased consensus that some sort of hard landing, or recession is impossible to avoid. If it is avoided, there'll be a lot of upside, but if it isn't avoided, some of this [recession risk] is priced in," Williams added. 

Latest comments

Are you happy Powell?
I would love to get my hands on the crystal ***people in this comment section apparently all have.
I would love to get my hands on the crystal ****people in this comment section apparently all have.
words words.. only decreasing cpi will mark bottom
Bottom? Write this article at DOW 12,000 and you might bottom, the coming crash will be for the history books. A depression is coming folks.
You are better at driving a car
Well, if we look eliott wave, we might near the bottom of A...then it will go back up then down more at C...so not the bottom yet.
And there's a lot of differences between 2008 and 2022.
Up soon before down more
We're not anywhere near the bottom, we are headed for a major recession. It's not going down, it's going way way down; think Mariana's trench
Market is still in a exuberance, bottom will not happen like 2020 March eventually will reach there in a phased manner
This party won't go on forever, seeing a mix of 1929 and 1937. The greed in the market is palpable. Everyone will be blind sided and those who trade on a daily basis will get cleaned out.
This party won't go on forever, seeing a mix of 1929 and 1937. The greed in the market is palpable. Everyone will be blind sided and those who trade on a daily basis will get cleaned out.
This party won't go on forever, seeing a mix of 1929 and 1937. The greed in the market is palpable. Everyone will be blind sided and those who trade on a daily basis will get cleaned out.
No recession. Hope for the best.
Everybody talking about recession it will happen of course...eventually...but prices will fall from higher levels not as people think. It would be hilarious to see a double top...if that happens it will trap lots longs most likely from retail investors
yes this will be a 5 year timetable to get gain back this years fiasco. we probably still have 10% to go down yet. it is sickening.
It's awesome as you can buildup your portfolio without paying hyped up prices
Are we there yet? How much further?
5-10 percent more down.
Will hit DOW 12,000
so many investors do not seem to understand that this inflation scenario it's going to take a long long time to play out. and the market we'll have no choice but to continue going down until at some point inflation is under control. in the 80s it took years not months to solve the problem and this Federal Reserve has no clue what they're up against
you understand it so why are you here and comment? you made a fortune already because you understand everything.
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Don't drink so much!
Only the chief flack/apologist for the Bigs could write such a headline without questioning his principles in life
All I know is the article and everyone in the comments has no clue either
yesterday they've said: the 3.4% crazy up candle of thursday was just retail buying, don't go there... today they say: Are we close to a bottom right now? No, No, no bottom yet, don't go there... meanwhile mainstream media is working real hard on producing apocalyptic news... they even took NOPEC seriously lol... so, been a contraian means to think we are far for a bottom yet? really? Actually those stocks that are holding on like CVX, Ocidental, CAT, some Ciclicals and other are higher yields related, so this guys argument is flaw, cause the high imbalance in everyone's porfolio to the higher yields side is forcing the crash of other stocks... and they keep saying those are the long term doomed ones..ok
i mean those that already crashed... they won't revert in miraculous 2 or 3 days, probably go choppy for few weeks... but yeah they are pretty much close to a bottom
80% of market trades are automated, so there is no one home when it comes to "investor" sentiment.
I bet 50% are not even real trades just Market makers to other market makers driving the price where they desire.
What nonsense. define "usually"
Market bottom will be here when big money wall street stops buying puts and releases their media hounds for the signal to send out fake joirnalism.
We will not see the ‘puking out’ moment in 2022. Its hard to reverse the investing psychology trending over past 11 yrs. With a bigger adult population and easy access to investing apps and 11.55 million jolts openings and millions of 401K entrants, I doubt the capitulation these chartists are dreaming about will ever happen!
agree
Capitulation is when investors sell stocks en masse to go to safe BONDS! Right now nobody is going to bonds so remain in equity. When yields reverse that's when the big drop in equity will happen.
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