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Democrats at odds over 'billionaires tax' to fund sweeping Biden agenda

EconomyOct 28, 2021 02:07AM ET
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By Richard Cowan and David Morgan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Senior Democrats in the U.S. Congress were at odds on Wednesday over a proposal to tax billionaires' assets to help pay for President Joe Biden's social and climate-change agenda, leaving it unclear if the idea had enough support to become law.

The Senate's top tax writer, Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden, unveiled the idea early on Wednesday, but by afternoon his House of Representatives counterpart, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, said the idea appeared to be too complex to succeed.

Biden's Democrats are struggling to reach consensus on the scope of a pair of bills worth about $3 trillion to rebuild the nation's infrastructure, boost social spending and fight climate change. With the narrowest of margins in Congress, and unified Republican opposition, they need near 100% agreement within the caucus to pass anything.

Biden and Democratic congressional leaders have been scaling back their ambitions in order to keep skeptical centrists on board. Several media outlets reported that they dropped a provision on Wednesday that would have provided up to 12 weeks of paid family leave.

Aides in Congress said the billionaires tax, affecting roughly 700 taxpayers with over $1 billion in assets or $100 million in annual income for three consecutive years, would impose a 23.8% tax rate for long-term capital gains on tradable assets, whether or not they have been sold. It would also allow taxpayers to take deductions for losses on assets.

Neal, along with other Democrats had backed Biden's original proposal, which would raise tax rates on companies and the wealthy, but that idea faces an uphill fight in the Senate.

Referring to the billionaires tax, Neal said: "It will be very difficult because of its complexity."

He added that Democrats are discussing imposing a 3% surtax on taxpayers earning more than $10 million.

Senator Bernie Sanders, a leading progressive, said the billionaires tax was a "step in the right direction" but not nearly enough. "Every sensible revenue option seems to be destroyed," he told reporters. Sanders met with Biden on Wednesday, a White House aide said.

The billionaires tax plan was put forth after Senate moderates voiced opposition to the idea of raising corporate tax rates.

"The president supports the billionaire tax," said White House spokesperson Jen Psaki. "He looks forward to working with Congress and Chairman Wyden to make sure the highest-income Americans pay their fair share."

Two other revenue proposals - a 15% corporate minimum tax https://www.reuters.com/world/us/details-emerge-corporate-minimum-tax-plan-us-senate-democrats-cnbc-2021-10-26 and tougher enforcement of existing tax laws - also enjoy backing from the White House and congressional Democrats.

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Democratic Senator Joe Manchin, a centrist who has forced Biden to scale back the spending package, reacted with skepticism to the billionaires tax proposal as well.

"I don't like the connotation that we are targeting different people," he told reporters.

Manchin said he would support a minimum 15% tax on wealthy individuals, similar to the 15% corporate minimum tax that Democrats have proposed.

He and Democratic Senator Kyrsten Sinema, another centrist who has opposed various Democratic proposals, met behind closed doors with White House staffers for roughly two hours on Wednesday.

The minimum corporate tax would dovetail with a global corporate minimum tax recently agreed to by 136 countries https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-treasurys-yellen-confident-congress-will-pass-global-minimum-tax-2021-10-10 and aimed at corporations that pay little or no tax by gaming the international tax system.

It would apply to many large American companies, such as Apple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL), Amazon.com Inc (NASDAQ:AMZN), JPMorgan Chase & Co (NYSE:JPM) and Johnson & Johnson (NYSE:JNJ).

Some experts say the billionaires tax could be difficult to enforce.

"Government staffers tend to be outmatched by the most sophisticated, best-resourced taxpayers out there," said Steve Rosenthal, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

Top White House tax expert David Kamin wrote favorably about a similar proposal in 2019 while serving as a law professor. But he also noted that it could create "distortions" by encouraging a shift in investments to privately held firms.

Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) Inc Chief Executive Elon Musk, who early this week was worth https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/teslas-1-trillion-value-double-bonanza-musk-2021-10-25 about $230 billion, criticized the plan on Twitter (NYSE:TWTR).

"Who is best at capital allocation -- government or entrepreneurs -- is indeed what it comes down to," he said. Tesla, an electric car maker, has reaped at least $3 billion https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=tesla-inc in U.S. and local government support, according to Good Jobs First, a subsidy tracker.

Not all billionaires are opposed to the plan. George Soros, the investor and liberal activist, is supportive https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-billionaire-tax-proposal-seems-unite-democrats-will-it-work-2021-10-26, his spokesperson told Reuters on Monday.

Democrats at odds over 'billionaires tax' to fund sweeping Biden agenda
 

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Rodney Dangerfield
Rodney Dangerfield Oct 28, 2021 2:14AM ET
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rich people only buy the politicians they like and the sude they agree with... if you believe that punch yourself lol
Rodney Dangerfield
Rodney Dangerfield Oct 28, 2021 2:13AM ET
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I'm poor and stupid I like NASCAR...go Brandon
Mark Stallone
Mark Stallone Oct 27, 2021 9:30PM ET
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this is a very interesting article. I've given it a good read, and have come to one conclusion.. Let's go Brandon.
palmer gossett
palmer gossett Oct 27, 2021 8:56PM ET
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It all gets passed to the middle class. Anyone who believes otherwise, even when promised it won't happen by your new president has been fooled.
Ron Love
Ron Love Oct 27, 2021 8:33PM ET
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I assume they have billionaire mega donors.
Connecticut Yankee
A_Jaundiced_Eye Oct 27, 2021 7:55PM ET
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If Soros is for it, I'm ready to vote: No !
Tyler Phillis
Tyler Phillis Oct 27, 2021 6:02PM ET
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Billionares have the means to avoid taxes, the fact that they pay any at all is testimony to their patriotism. Targeting them with thus is the best way to ruin their spirit and guarantee that the tax does not work.
Miriam Morkhul
Miriam Morkhul Oct 27, 2021 6:02PM ET
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The word "billionaire" does not mean billions of currency at a deposit account with negative rate. They are asset billionaires who live off of dividends/coupons etc. You can't tax that. Income tax is unconstitutional, american workers should not pay that in reality.
David JC
David JC Oct 27, 2021 5:12PM ET
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Typically this is how "good" intentioned new taxes start. Just like in 1914 when the current income tax started out as a "tax of the rich". But over time, the income tax became what we know today. So historically, this "billionaire" tax will eventually turn into a an Everybody tax.  Additionally, the rich already know this and have already have made plans to scurry their wealth in other places.  So once again...the former Democrat Party now known as the Socialist Party is poised to ruin this country further.
king michael
king michael Oct 27, 2021 4:26PM ET
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How many years that AMZON has not paid a penny to IRS?
Tyler Phillis
Tyler Phillis Oct 27, 2021 4:26PM ET
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Zero. The company pays every year.
Ron Love
Ron Love Oct 27, 2021 4:26PM ET
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Zero years
king michael
king michael Oct 27, 2021 4:23PM ET
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All the tax collected by IRS, about 93% are from working class. Only 6% come from cooperates. Why? If added all the taxes together (income, property, medical, insurance, school, shopping ....), middle class pay over 60%  of their income to IRS. Any idea how working class can also just pay $700/year income tax like Trump? Or 0 tax like Bezos ....?
Tyler Phillis
Tyler Phillis Oct 27, 2021 4:23PM ET
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Corporations collect taxes from customers, they only pay on what they earn…which is passes on to future customers. If you want to continue paying higher prices for goods and services keep repeating the bromides you are posting here.
Lesko Brandon
Lesko Brandon Oct 27, 2021 3:54PM ET
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And just fyi, they already scrapped the idea..."WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A proposal to tax the assets of billionaires is now out of consideration as a way to pay for President Joe Biden's social spending and climate plan, U.S. House Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal said on Wednesday, according to Bloomberg News. House lawmakers are instead discussing a 3% surtax - on top of the top income rate - for those earning more than $10 million, Neal said, according to Bloomberg."
Lesko Brandon
Lesko Brandon Oct 27, 2021 3:30PM ET
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Because you leftists are ignorant do not understand the difference between "income" and "wealth". The reason why billionaires have you all marching the streets pushing socialism is they make their billions not through income, but through currency devaluation and government subsidization of industry (like the $3.5 trillion pork projects democrats are pushing). There is a reason these rich politicians, celebrities, and billionaires want you to "tax the rich", because in the end the only people it hurts is the lower/middle class through inflation/cost of living rises while their investments continue to prosper more than ever. Cost of living up, inflation 5.4%, supply chain issues, millions out of work, gas prices up, etc...meanwhile Wall Street at all time highs.
Lesko Brandon
Lesko Brandon Oct 27, 2021 3:30PM ET
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*$80 billion
Lesko Brandon
Lesko Brandon Oct 27, 2021 3:30PM ET
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And anybody who think that these proposals are only going to be used to go after the "billionaires" is completely ignorant. Biden wants to give the IRS $80 trillion of additional funding and they want the IRS to have the ability to spy on everybody's bank accounts. This is not how you just go after 700 people and expect them all to pick up the tab on $3.5 trillion of spending. Again, these billionaires do not care about tax, they care about inflation transferring wealth into their investments/pockets.
king michael
king michael Oct 27, 2021 2:32PM ET
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Any idea why Bezos, Bill Gate, Musk, Buffet, Trump .... have not paid any tax or paid less tax than an average middle class worker for years?
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Lesko Brandon
Lesko Brandon Oct 27, 2021 2:32PM ET
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Chris Cummins  And just fyi "Next, "Most of them have paid more into the tax system in single years than you make in your entire lives" ignorant statement. Taxes are a percentage, your argument is invalid."....that is not an ignorant statement, my argument is not invalid. you did not factually disprove anything that i said. and you should check out the tax brackets, people at the bottom already pay the lowest tax rates percentage-wise of their income.
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 2:32PM ET
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Lesko Brandon  Come on, you are smarter than that. "Also most of these people will just move their assets out of the US" not possible without realizing the assets first. They would have been able to move corp HQ but the global corp tax stopped that. Go to school, take a class, then post.
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 2:32PM ET
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Lesko Brandon You are comparing percentages to actual amounts and thinking it makes sense. It doesn't, it is invalid. Sorry.
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 2:32PM ET
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Lesko Brandon  Here is where you lost the smart people..."Most of them have paid more into the tax system in single years than you make in your entire lives". Most of us pay more as a percentage of income than do the rich. Thus your statement is false. Next, you change it up and try to compare actual amounts with percentages...but only when it works to  your advantage. You don't win many arguments do you? But the Christian right will love you as they just need some hate to feed off of. Can you imagine Jesus defending the billionaires? ROFL.....
Ron Love
Ron Love Oct 27, 2021 2:32PM ET
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I assume because you can carry losses several years on your personal income taxes, much like anyone else.
Ferdinando Riboni
Ferdinando Riboni Oct 27, 2021 2:20PM ET
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the Democrats want to hire another 120 k irs Bloodhounds to go after the Working StiffI guarantee the Billionaires will be left alone or maybe given more free $$$
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 2:20PM ET
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Link to this story please? I have always wanted to work for the IRS and *******working stiffs.
jason xx
jason xx Oct 27, 2021 2:10PM ET
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Somebody tell musk they already came for us long ago
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 2:10PM ET
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He knows, look how he suffers from the tax burden today!
Jon Gr
Jon Gr Oct 27, 2021 1:35PM ET
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Billionaires will have the best minds in the world outmanuevering the bueracrats in Washington still. At that point the money is spent, the billionaires are still sheltering their assets and the tax gets passed down the social ladder or the debt increases exponentially. Either that or prices are raised by these corporate billionaires and inflation becomes the tax which affects the poor the most.
tomas mcneilll
tomas mcneilll Oct 27, 2021 12:53PM ET
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Not a fan of taxing unrealized gains, even for billionaires.  It is a slippery slope certainty.
Liam Andrade
Liam Andrade Oct 27, 2021 12:53PM ET
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Billionaires aren't going to feel it, anyone who has a 401k will though
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 12:53PM ET
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Love the fear tactics. The slippery slope is such a good one, and so easy.
James Pattison
James Pattison Oct 27, 2021 12:22PM ET
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Biden said he wouldnt raise taxes on individuals making 400k or less… this was a lie… now inflation is a tax paid by all and most impactful on the middle and low wage earners
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 12:22PM ET
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I do not believe he raised taxes on the poor. I do not believe that inflation is a tax nor does it make Biden a liar. Thanks for your comments,
Felipe Daniel
Felipe Daniel Oct 27, 2021 12:22PM ET
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Chris Cummins Inflation is a tax and it affects the poor the most
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 12:22PM ET
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Felipe Daniel So if I say "no new taxes" and inflation is 1% then I am a liar? Logic is not that difficult.
James Pattison
James Pattison Oct 27, 2021 12:21PM ET
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Raise taxes on corporations and millionaires… and they will leave
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 12:21PM ET
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Except now we have a global tax rate for corporations. So where will they go? Ah, the moon! Thanks for your comments
James Pattison
James Pattison Oct 27, 2021 12:14PM ET
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If you take all the money from billionaires… just take it all… it wont even begin to dent the debt
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 12:14PM ET
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Incorrect again! But keep posting. The 400 wealthiest Americans saw their collective fortune increase 40% over the last year, to $4.5 trillion. There are over 600 billionaires in the US. If someone dented 20% of your car would you say it was not a dent?
James Pattison
James Pattison Oct 27, 2021 11:55AM ET
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Tax all politcal contributions 95%… that would level the politcal power playing field… then make a flat and simple tax code without all the loopholes so politicians like joe biden cant shelter and distibute money to his family
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 11:55AM ET
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Thanks for signaling out the Biden's. I am sure Trump doesn't use loopholes :) Flat tax disproportionately taxes the poor. The idea is to tax discretionary income equally, the poor have no discretionary income. So you are taking food from poor and no impact to the wealthy. Sounds like a nice christian/GOP thing to do.
Rob Mac
Rob Mac Oct 27, 2021 9:43AM ET
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It’s a political scheme. Do something unconstitutional to a socially disliked group of people. Then when the opposition party stands up to stop the unconstitutional action the originating party screams the opposition party are in bed with the socially disliked. A fools folly.
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 9:43AM ET
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I take you are referring to BLM and the right-wing tactics? I agree, the GOP sickens me.
Kaveh Sun
Kaveh Sun Oct 27, 2021 9:28AM ET
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I loss a ton. When i win, the irs tax me full. When i loose, i can only claim 3K loss. Gov wont return you a dime for ur unrealized loss under this plan and if pass, they soon will apply it to the average Joes.
Chris Cummins
Chris Cummins Oct 27, 2021 9:28AM ET
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Sounds like poor planning on your part. You might consider hiring someone as it might be too complex for you. Knowing how it works allows you to plan around it....or just complain about it, either way, good luck!
New Jazenevd
New Jazenevd Oct 27, 2021 9:24AM ET
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Taxes affecting only a very small group of US citizens are outright prohibited by US Constitution. In other words, present noise is a pure propaganda trick. Dems in Congress will push and adopt the tax, which will allegedly “pay” for Biden’s money printing, while later the tax will be quietly discontinued and abolished by US courts.
jason xx
jason xx Oct 27, 2021 5:53AM ET
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I'm for billionaires paying up but next thing you know it will be everyone pays tax on unrealized gains. Plus it sounds great when market is at record highs but when it goes down it does the opposite
 
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