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Trump has discussed firing Fed Chairman Powell: sources

Published 12/22/2018, 06:42 PM
Updated 12/22/2018, 06:42 PM
© Reuters. FILE PHOTO: Federal Reserve Board Chairman Jerome Powell holds a news conference after a Federal Open Market Committee meeting in Washington

By Steve Holland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has privately discussed the possibility of firing Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, a move that could roil already volatile financial markets, two sources familiar with situation said on Saturday.

The sources added that they do not expect Trump to dismiss the U.S. central bank chief, despite the president's public and private objections to the Fed's interest rate-hiking campaign and his repeated criticisms of Powell, whom he appointed.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, however, tweeted late Saturday that Trump had told him that never suggested dismissing the Fed chief.

"I never suggested firing Chairman Jay Powell, nor do I believe I have the right to do so," Mnuchin quoted Trump as telling him.

The White House and a Fed spokeswoman declined to comment.

An attempt to remove the Fed chairman would be unprecedented and seen as an attack on the U.S. central bank's independence, which is meant to insulate it from political considerations. It would be on potentially shaky legal ground, and would probably hit financial markets around the globe hard.

The Federal Reserve Act allows a president to dismiss a Fed board member for "cause," and Trump's frustrations with the central bank's rate hikes would likely fall short of that mark. The law, however, is untested on dismissing a chairman, who also holds a separate term as a board member.

Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, said in November he did not believe it would be possible for Trump to remove Powell as chairman, while leaving him on the board.

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"I don't think so. It's a four-year term," Kudlow said during a Washington Post event.

CNN, citing two people familiar with the matter, said Trump had begun polling advisers about his legal authority, but that the White House had not come up with a final determination. It said Trump's advisers told the president earlier this year that it was doubtful he had legal authority to dismiss the Fed chief.

Trump has frequently attacked Powell, who was sworn in as Fed chairman early last February, and the Fed for raising borrowing costs this year, especially as U.S. stocks have tumbled and yields on U.S. government debt have begun to signal a possible recession ahead.

Before the central bank's policy meeting earlier this week, Trump warned against lifting rates when stock markets were slumping.

"Don't let the market become any more illiquid than it already is," he wrote on Twitter on Tuesday, just before the Fed opened its two-day meeting. "Feel the market, don’t just go by meaningless numbers."

Despite the public jaw-boning, the central bank lifted rates for the fourth time this year on Wednesday, citing the U.S. economy's continued strong performance.

U.S. stocks and bond yields fell hard after the decision. The Dow Jones industrial average (DJI) had its worst week since the 2008 financial crisis, while the Nasdaq (IXIC) sank into bear market territory.

Bloomberg News was the first to report that Trump has been privately discussing firing Powell.

The Fed's independence has been a mainstay of the U.S. financial system and is one of the reasons the dollar is the global reserve currency.

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In an interview with Reuters earlier this month, Trump said he liked Powell, but not his policies.

"I think he's a good man. I think he's trying to do what he thinks is best. I disagree with him," Trump said. "I think he's being too aggressive, far too aggressive, actually far too aggressive."

Latest comments

Powell and FED people were even more hasty than Trump
Too late now. Major damage has been done and markets are crashing.
In my mind, the Fed did the wrong thing by raising interest rates. The Fed would have refrained from raising interest rates at least for the time being and would have said that, as the case may be, interest would be raised next year and did not suggest next year to raise interest rates 2 times. Therefore, considering the economic situation and indicators of Us and the world, I would logically have said as an economist. In my opinion, the situation and the decision of the Fed is at most political.
Trump cannot fire The Fed Chairman
He can if fed creates financial instability in the market and panic sell off on financial market. All american financial index had a huge drop after fed decide to continue hiking rates despite trade war, economy slow down, china slow down, brexit, europe social instability
Agree with the president. The Fed could have waited at least a few months more to see the effect of the latest increases. Evidence is mounting that democratic governors  are targeting neither inflation nor the economy but the 2020 election. A recession would surely remove Donald Trump from the White House.
Trump decisions are good enogh to strengthen dollar, it will be harmfull raising interest rate this way, currency with low int rate is stronger than a high int rate currency,
He wants indeed weak dollare to balance trade exportation qnd create job, the hiking policy of the fed is going on the oppodite direction
Write it off as Trump's Angry Birds personality outburst. It's typical of a child who is inconvenienced by its parents' policies. Last time you denied yourself that treat you became angry too. He doesn't know how to help himself. Def. not the type of leader we need.
Wrong...
I dare you TRUMP, DO IT!!!!!
It was the tariffs. Just like it will be again
Powell is a tone deaf roach. Remember the crash of 29 and the great depression? it was the fed. Can't have a repeat of that or the 2016 correction. Yes he can fire Powell since the legal language is vague. Worse than Yellen.
Kyle is correct.
Guys tariffs are the only way to make change their unfair policy and avoid trillions of dollar are moving out if us because of huge trade deficit. This tariff are ok when there is full employment and no hiking rates otherwise you are removing vital oxigen to the economy and you lead the economy in recession
Firing powell might be a great idea. Do we really need another federal reserve induced recession?!
this 'rumor' could actually been seen as a tremendous buy opportunity. Things are getting interesting. Bring on the volatility!
Totally agree. What goes down must go up, sooner or later, by the simple logic of Reversion To The Mean. Think 2016 mid-January where the world was close to coming to an end. At the very least we would get a bear bounce to the 50 days moving average.
Recent events seem all like orchestrated to bring the market down so that banks can rebuy the RSI in the 30's and below. A few youtube authors said in November that they will be buying in December. ===What really changed since the late summer? Exuberance at a market top, the fed's one quarter of a percent rate rise and trump kicking and screaming over his pet project while the nation is focused on xmas. Not much except that someone is feeding hyped info to the algos.
fed need to get things fire up. otherwise, things get back fire.
Consider that 1.) the Romans did the same thing as our governments: Print money to finance their wars and 2.) It took the Roman Empire 300 years to collapse. So, we're good for a couple centuries of Boom and Bust cycles. ===We need that ministry that keeps their finger on the pulse of the supply and demand for money.  That ministry will know that a ZERO POINT 25 percent raise in the rate will cool off a roaring stock market, as it was in 2018 August.==
ALL that fancy Dow Will fall after 10 years of printed money and no interest rates people forget that stock market have risks and want It up forever.
It was only a 0.25% raise in the interbank lending rate that caused the big hands (the 1%) to pee into their shirts and get hysteric.  If Trump wanted to do some real good he would stop meddling in the decisions of the informed collective intelligence and rather put teams in place who regulate those that derail the stock market, those algos that initiate sell-offs and cause trillions in losses to the 99% over what? a 0.25% reminder that a roaring stockmarket needs a little tempering ..
What is the purpose of the Federal Reserve System?. The Federal Reserve System, often referred to as the Federal Reserve or simply "the Fed," is the central bank of the United States. It was created by the Congress to provide the nation with a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system. The Federal Reserve was created on December 23, 1913, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Today, the Federal Reserve's responsibilities fall into four general areas.. . Conducting the nation's monetary policy by influencing money and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of full employment and stable prices.. Supervising and regulating banks and other important financial institutions to ensure the safety and soundness of the nation's banking and financial system and to protect the credit rights of consumers.. Maintaining the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk ...... https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12594.htm
I say eliminate the Fed completely and give the money printing power back to the Treasury. Let the market work itself out naturally as intended from the beginning.
Trump needs to go
Agreed. He makes hasty and uninformed decisions that are driven by his skewed ego, bully mania and fear of losing.
Powell was even more hasty than Trump
I do not blame him. Powell stated earlier that they may have to over shoot and then pull back to control inflation. Basically causing a recession, then pullback. Then he says they will target 2 hikes for next year. He’s not using the data to control his decisions. The only thing he keeps citing is full employment and he’s worried about wage inflation...... SERIOUSLY, the guy is terrible..... I’m an options trader, volatility is good for us, but this guy is terrible......housing, automotive, dramatically have slowed. Oil is taking care of a lot of consumer inflation, this guy is terrible!
powell is to aggresive
Guys powel is totally wrong, he is too aggressive hiking interest, there are no sign of inflation in oil price, raw materials or price and he is still going further with interest rate. His decision is really a big issue for all us economy and for keeping employment rates low. Trump is doing an amazing job even thought sometimes creazy idea as wall construction, he is making the america great again with bilateral trade deal where america can have a better conditions and gain more respect with other countries and so have a surplus on trade balance and came back to grow again
Trump all along the campaign said about the bubble on stock market nos that Powell wants to pop It he is complaining.
We need a New QE Program 2 times bigger to keep Dow up forever.
The stock market top for this cycle took place at mid-summer of 2015  by any measure...Beyond that, it over-inflated itself, primarily by Mr.Trump's promises and by central bank's persistent ultra low rates....Staying invested in stocks after this period comes at great risk...
Who would Trump get to replace him?  Maduro might be out of a job soon and has done a great job in Venezuela.
(paraphrased from the 6th paragraph down from the link below) .. There is no indication that Maduro will back down and institute economic or political reforms. He continues to blame Venezuela’s troubles on either international conspiracies or his political opponents. Legislation passed by the opposition-controlled congress is either blocked by loyalists in the Maduro-appointed judiciary or simply ignored by the president and the bureaucracy.  link: https://www.macleans.ca/news/world/venezuela-collapses-and-nobody-cares/
Just like in China, Russia, North Korea, America, Philippines, abuse of executive power for eventually personal gain and personal ego ... The world is a sad state of affairs. --- (the following paraphrased from the link below: Abuse of executive power In Venezuela today, no independent government institutions remain to act as a check on executive power. The Venezuelan government—under Maduro and previously under Chávez—has stacked the courts with judges who make no pretense of independence.=== https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/venezuela
I hope that Trump could fire Powel.
bring greenspan back.. or bernanke... make rate go 1% again... and DOW goes to 35,000 or eve 40,000
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