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Stocks Face Further Losses As Rates Surge

Published 09/09/2022, 04:33 AM
Updated 09/20/2023, 06:34 AM
  • Yields have risen sharply since the middle of August
  • Stock prices have fallen but not fast enough to account for the drop in bonds
  • This would indicate that stocks may still have further to fall
  • Yields have rocketed higher, and stocks have failed to keep pace with the surge. So despite the recent plunge in equity prices, indexes like the S&P 500 are more expensive today relative to bonds than before stock prices fell. It doesn't make one feel good now, does it?

    Looking at the spread between the S&P 500's earnings yield over the trailing twelve months and the current 10-year Treasury rate shows that the spread has contracted. That spread is now around 1.84% and the significantly lower end of its historical range of the past ten years.

    S&P/10-Year Yield Spread

    Failing To Keep Pace

    Even more shocking is that the index has fallen by more than 8% since Aug. 16, yet the spread between the earnings yield and the 10-year is lower. In August, that spread was at 1.93%, which tells us that stocks today are more overvalued relative to bonds due to the speed at which yields have increased.

    On Aug.16, the 10-year rate was around 2.75%; now, it is trading around 3.3%, a massive move in a brief period. This would tell us that despite the sharp decline in the equity market, stocks haven't fully priced in higher yields and that stocks still need to fall further to account for the move higher in rates.

    S&P/10-Year Yield Spread

    Another 9%?

    How much lower should stocks fall, of course, becomes the next question. For that, we can turn and look at where the spreads were in June and July, and at that time, they were between 2.2% and 2.6%, and if we take the middle of 2.4%, stocks would need to reflect an earnings yield that is about 50 bps higher than today, assuming the 10-year rate is unchanged.

    That would push the earnings yield on the S&P 500 from around 5.15% today to about 5.65%, pushing the PE ratio from 19.4 to 17.7. Assuming earnings over the last twelve months of $204.91 would knock the value of the S&P 500 to 3,626 from its current 3,975, or a drop of about 9%.

    S&P Earnings Yield

    Impacts

    The stocks that could get hurt the most in such a decline would be those that have seen their valuations rise or fall due to rates thus far. That would be stocks in the growth sector and many technology stocks or stocks that continue to carry high valuations in general.

    It seems easy to see that despite stocks falling since Jay Powell's Jackson Hole speech, the Fed isn't going to back off tightening monetary policy anytime soon. That should make stocks worth less versus bonds and not worth more. Given the enormous move in yields, one would expect stocks to reprice along with bonds, especially since the Fed has proven it will be more aggressive than the stock market had anticipated.

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And the other guy near your article says "set to resume corrective rally" . ?????
Sgain you are about make people bet against ypu
What reason is there to buy stocks? You know reported earnings are a lie based on fake numbers (EBITDA, Mark to Maturity valuations) and fraudulent schemes (stock prices artificially boosted by stock buybacks) resulting in unbelievably high P/E ratios. Plus, commodity prices are artificially suppressed in the paper markets, further distorting valuations and preventing price discovery in all markets. Caveat emptor. To buy stocks here is to participate in the greatest fraud of history.
Again, your conclusion of the Article is absolutely right!
where oh where are youuuu kramer? omg haha you just don't get tired of being so wrong most of the time.
MK is always negative in 8 out of 10 of his opinions. It must be safe to be negative in a bear market since he can improve his rating. LOL.
Thanks for advice we all lost again every time u said we should short
He never says people should do amything
yes he implicitly does
charts dont capture the will of people to throw money at stocks.  its no longer an investment vehicle buying value stocks but gambling.   The Warren Buffets have been pushed aside for the Cathy Woods.
Warren is still in the game buying stocks. Cathy, let's just say is a privileged gambler whose backers can take hefty drawdowns only based on the belief that its technology that keeps on humanity ahead. Its just an appetite that cannot be had by a normal person considering the lack of money.
see you 500 es pts higher
once again, great analysis.  The scientific analysis of the bumble bee is that it cannot fly.  Yet there it flies upward ignorant that it cannot fly.    Similar situation here.   Retail traders are flush with cash from give-aways, selling homes at peak, loan forgiveness, covid PPP (yes still, small businesses raked in hundreds of thousands of free money), covid stipends,  rent on hold, etc.  So the stocks keep going up due to all this cash.   Normally stocks would be down given we have lots of fed hikes in front of us  PLUS QT and that QT should not be ignored as its just starting this month.   Up the market goes, I will not be suprised SP500 hits 5000 after Powell hikes another 75bps with some excuse "its already priced in".   We will get a lower CPI, probably 8.2% and everyone will drive up stocks because it is 0.3% lower than last time.   Still greater than 4x the target but that 0.3% will be what retail traders want.
Excellent article. Thank you.
Low liquidity, bad sentiment point to lower equity price. At the same these 2 aspects result in hedging positions that could lead to an unexpected move in the market.
I agree with ammm these rallies need to be dealt with caution. Long term still looks bearish...
Need to look at the decline in the intrinsic value of stocks, not the price. Another quarter of record earrings have gone by and prices keep falling.
Stock are forward looking by about 6m, so perhaps they are expecting interest rates to begin to drop?
I told you many times .. you are gonna to lose all your money from your portfolio.. where planet you live ?
ALL seems kind of extreme, don't you think? I've heard broad claims of 20-30% but not 100.
You are wrong Bond is way high and ut will drop like a rock to around 2% next 60 days
In my opinion we bottomed out. Markets will start to pump soon if inflation keeps going down. Last quearter will be good
Are you even thinking about the Fed's QT has barely begun, and another jumbo .75 in less than 2 weeks.
Great stuff!!! It seems like stocks always follows bonds prices but lagging a small-medium time. The bond market is the dog that wags the tail of the stock market!!! Greetings!!!
Long term trend is bearish, if someone haven't learned that yet, just look how all relief rallies since Jan were destroyed relatively quickly. The game now is not only a bounce from oversold levels, but more kind of a bet on lower CPI next week, which is all ONLY a short lived speculation. If you are long, just be sure to exit quickly at some point. I expect the bottom to be in during the Q3 earnings release season.
Only when retail investors capitulate, market bottom shortly after…
Ok all in short to 1000 if we lost pleas pay us back
Does anyone actually believe the fed will keep raising rates every meeting until inflation is at 2% because that's delusional. Fed will get to 3.75% and puase like they have said since day one
I also think they might hold about 3.75% (so 0.75% in Sept and 0.5% in Nov meeting) and then may hold there until the March 2023 meeting to gauge what the market is doing / impact (at most can see maybe a 0.25% increase in Jan 2023 to bring it to 4% by the March meeting depending on inflation and energy prices over winter months). Could see them accelerate balance sheet sell-off however - to decrease money supply on the other side - as they've only sold circa $120 Billion of Fed balance sheet in 5 months? So still $8.8 Trillion on their books versus $4.1 Trillion pre covid.
There is no exact correlation that bonds have to have with stocks.
The only thing falling is inflation give it up.
Inflation is only falling as energy prices are falling (well 90%). Ironically energy prices are falling as the market is expecting a recession and so less demand in 2023. So ONLY two outcomes - energy market is wrong and there will be no recession so energy prices increase impacting inflation and pressure on the Fed to continue increasing rate hikes. Or the energy market is correct and there is a recession - so inflation will fall but so will revenue levels and employment which will push the stock market back down to pre covid levels.
I agree completely! Of course it's the most basic logical approach so only an illogical person would dismiss your deduction.
stuck with your shorts I see? sorry , bottom was in June.
I think VERY VERY VERY few professionals have called a bottom yet (apart from those who need to pump the market). Even the Fed is saying get ready for pain. Between inflation, tight labour, massive debt, global taxes, increasing international tensions, high Dollar and about 20 other headwinds - including QT and stimulus no longer pumping up artificial revenue streams. Can EASILY see the market fall back to pre-covid levels in 2023. The fact a lot of companies' PE Ratios are still near all-time highs yet economic growth is seen as flat if not in a recession in 2023 = lower stock market!!
Plus Im invested in the market and hope to buy more - I just see the market fall lower based on all of the headwinds so will drip feed investment in rather then investing any large lump sums
Why must you always assume if one is expecting a lower stock price that they must be in a short. Some people are just more patient to go long or buying down! I don't believe anyone on here is betting the market to crash from here! I have lived through 3 true crashes and in my opinion that is not likely from here! Yes I short but usually only on select stocks for short periods. So if you are long now great but I would not go all in stocks will retest the bottom and very likely dip again! patience will be rewarded.
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