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If Wall Street Can Act Irrationally, So Can Gold

Published 11/05/2019, 11:06 AM
Updated 09/02/2020, 02:05 AM

This CNBC story published on Monday had a great point: Wall Street has been spooked this year by a trade war, a potential recession and multiple geopolitical concerns, including Brexit. Yet, the stock market keeps hitting one record high after another.

With the Dow joining Monday’s all-time peaks on the S&P 500 and NASDAQ, the "most hated bull market in history" observation — so often repeated on Wall Street in recent months—might become the worst market cliche of the year, CNBC added.

Now, apply the same situation to gold—since something similarly logic-defying is happening to the yellow metal.

When the stock market rallies, gold is usually expected to drop. One is a risk instrument and the other a safety hedge.

Gold 300-Min Chart

Yet, since Friday, both gold futures and bullion have remained steadily above $1,500 an ounce, a level generally deemed as bullish. To be fair, the yellow metal has shed modest amounts of its value in recent days. But it hasn’t moved away from that key bullish perch, to the dismay of those who had shorted it, expecting a price crumble.

As Many Reasons Against Record Highs In Stocks As Rally In Gold

Just like the argument that there are many inherent weaknesses that make the current surge in equities untenable, there’s also the contention that gold doesn’t have what it takes to prevent a fall back to $1,400 or lower.

For these arguments to be acted on, it depends who’s hearing them. If they’re equity bulls, then what will matter are the broadly positive third-quarter corporate earnings, stellar U.S. jobs growth for October and growing speculation that the Trump administration and China might reach a partial trade deal soon.

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Similarly, for those pro-gold, the argument would be that until the threat of the trade war is fully or sufficiently defused, and permanent or acceptable solutions are found for Brexit and other geopolitical risks, investors will need the precious metal as a hedge. Also, the heady sentiment in stocks could reverse into a meltdown anytime these elements get out of hand.

All Will Sort Out Or Get Sorted Out

Parsing both sides of the debate proves one thing: both stocks and gold will sort out their anomalies eventually. Or will get themselves sorted out by market forces.

But, for the time being, if stocks can behave irrationally, so can gold.

TD Securities had a sound explanation in its Monday note on how the rallies in both markets were interconnected.

The Canadian bank-backed brokerage said while the Federal Reserve had indicated that it was done with rate cuts for 2019 after three back-to-back quarter-point cuts, a clear and present danger of an economic slowdown could force the central bank into more easing next year. A Fed stay in rates has been touted as one of the main reasons why investors should get out of gold.

TD Securities said:

“For the moment, precious metals markets have also taken a liking to the apparent 2020 optionality, with data dependence and persistent inflation worries keeping the Fed's potential path tilted towards easing.”

In such a scenario, the brokerage said, gold could still provide an effective hedge against further deterioration in growth, while further rate cuts potentially in the first half of 2020 would allow capital to embrace risk in the near-term in spite of global growth concerns.

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TD Securities added that its theory suggested that a positioning-driven sell-off in gold, forecast by the naysayers, “could be more shallow than would otherwise be anticipated”.

Interdependency Between Stocks And Gold Rally

Fawad Razaqzada, technical analyst at forex.com, outlined a similar interdependency between gold and stocks, saying a hedge was needed against recent “weakness in data and not (so) brilliant corporate earnings”.

Said Razaqzada:

“It remains to be seen how much further trade-related optimism will support Wall Street, and risk assets in general, going forward.”

Joseph Young, a Hong Kong-based financial analyst, added in an article on Saturday:

“The upside momentum of gold during an extended stock market rally indicates that investors are not fully convinced fundamental issues, including geopolitical risks, are resolved.”

“The rising gold price suggests that while investors are moving towards riskier investments, they are not disregarding the possibility of a selloff in the markets. Analysts believe the gold bulls still have the upper hand in 2019.”

Latest comments

I'd like to add one thing to what Arkadiusz wrote - https://www.sunshineprofits.com/gold-silver/investment-tools/gold-silver-correlation/ - the correlations table proves that gold's supposedly negative link with stocks is a myth. There can be cases when both move at the same time, but overall the correlations are relatively weak. Moreover, they are positive when one looks at them from the long-term point of view (the 750 and 1500 trading-day columns).
Thanks much. Please read my response below to Arkadiusz.
Nice article. However, you share the standard but incorrect view that the stock and gold markets are always negatively linked: when stocks go up, the yellow metal dives, and vice versa. This is indeed often the case, as gold is a safe haven, so when traders go into defensive mode, they may prefer gold to relatively risky stocks. However, the history shows several periods of co-movement (think about the 2000s – the global commodity and equity boom). Actually, the correlation between the monthly average of gold prices and the Dow in the years 1971-2017 is positive and quite high (about 0.74). This is because equities are typically negatively correlated to the U.S. dollar and the real interest rates, just like gold. Hence, the gold-stock relationship is more complex than you seem to believe and it changes over time, depending on external conditions, especially macroeconomic factors. See: https://www.sunshineprofits.com/gold-silver/free-alerts/is-the-stock-market-a-driver-of-gold-prices/
Thanks, Arkadiusz! Seeing this comment of yours a little late but better late than never :) You may not know but I've quoted you and Sunshine Profits before, long ago I think, on a gold article. Yes, for sure gold and stocks have had positive correlations over time. But this article deals with a very specific -- and short -- time horizon, so it's expected that we should be seeing the two diverge -- particularly when the economic climate now is hardly the kind that lifts all boats. I guess I should have inserted a line in the story about the longer term relationship between the two assets; then I would have set the context right. Thanks again, sir, for your feedback. Truly honored to have you comment.
Shut up and grow some hair. Stop posting 100 year old news
Is it your second nature to be as rude as this?
Now, that I've asked you the question above as politely as I can, may I venture with another: Who The .... (fill in the blanks as you please) do you think you are? To tell me off, or for that matter, anyone else here?
As of now it feels like markets are artificially kept up by feds QE. A healthy retracememt is long due. It's an election year so with markets up feel good factor is being maintained. On the flip side technically it looks like gold is taking a retracememt and could move higher post that.Currently there is a strong resistance at $1500 but when all ********break loose in market resistance do get broken and is quite a possiblity.
Amanpreet, true.
Dollar *******gold. Only helicopter money will save it. Since ZIRP & QEs couldn't blast gold off. Dollar is king for now!
[...] " The level S&P today is double its earnings support, whilst Gold today is but half of its currency debasement support." [...] I can only think of a serious big shot at CNBC, capable of arguing this. Very fair and valid point from Mark and Barani. Let's see how this translate on the March 10y.
A fine piece there by Barnai.  To be sure, on balance in a near-term trading environment, Gold and the S&P trade inversely.  And yet broad-term, both not only rise, but by reverse engineering their past price tracks (as we've demonstrated), they can be shown to have risen by identical percentage amounts over specified time periods:  'tis just that the routes they take to arrive at the same percentage increase are generally vastly different.  Moreover most broadly:  the level S&P today is double its earnings support, whilst Gold today is but half of its currency debasement support.  Yet the bottom line remains:  the trends are our friends and cash management is king.
Thanks much, Mr Baillie.
Gold is priced on CPI minus 10 year treasury yield. Today 10 year yield goes up sharply and gold falls.
I welcome the drop today. It will drive out the speculators that have recently piled into it. It a value based commodity, would rather see it priced as such. Wondering if at some point the price of the physical gold decouples from the representation of it.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. I'm amused myself that after taking enough time to deliberate and study the breakdown in the historical equities-gold relationship, the day I decide to push out this story, gold tumbles back to $1400 levels! What a laugh!! Anyway, many of you got the point I was trying to make. Thanks again for that.
The $1500 area is serious resistance.  A reaction to $1465 was expected and normal, and a bigger reaction to $1400 would also be normal, albeit frustrating for gold bugs,  Gold is likely to meander with a downside bias until year-end, and then blast higher as Chinese New Year begins. thanks, st.
Thanks, Stewart. Very salient viewpoint. But I think gold is acting to do the unthinkable this year. I believe it will go to $1600 or very close to that. I have written about that in the past and I still hold to it.
Gold usually DO NOT act irrationally. If gold is that hight in this environment, you're all should expect the 1600 soon. There is some good reason why.
Yes, Rony, I agree. There is usually little irrationality in gold versus stocks. That's what set me on writing this article.
Hasn't China been stockpiling gold? Perhaps this has been a hedge for them.
Could be. I wouldn't doubt that.
Gold should have been 1600+ by now. stock markets shouldn't be this high. However, market is always right.
Yes, agree. I've said the same in the past ($1600).
gold is up due to impeachment fears. any relief there and gold will drop back down to low 1400s
Great article!
Thanks much!
great overview, Barani. I've been following you on commodities analysis, always spot on! or maybe we're both wrong! haha
Thanks much, Gustavo. Truly honored to have readers like you. We are on Twitter as well @Investingcom
great overview, Barani. I've been following you on commodities analysis, always spot on! or maybe we're both wrong! haha
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